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There are a few forms or levels of racism. There are people who really believe the narrative, some who question some of it, and others who are aware it’s bullshit but accept it because it benefits them or going against the narrative could be harmful for themselves. In short humans will craft whatever story they need to justify behavior they want without any concerns for logical consistency. You can see this behavior in racism now and of course many other aspects of society and human behavior. Humans are storytellers, more so than logical beings.
Funny enough Benjamin Franklin has a short story on this. He as a vegetarian was lamenting his compatriots catching, killing, and cooking fish, listing all the reasons it’s immoral until he begins to smell the delicious fish and then starts writing about how maybe it’s not so bad, is fine, is even his god given right to eat the fish. The moral being humans can and will justify whatever they want to do. Also I’m aware of his own connection to slavery and inhumane practices.
And so the billionaires win again as we fight to justify not being assholes to one another.
Those in power want to maintain power which is much easier if the people are divided, particularly on subjects not involving the people in power.
They didn’t become billionaires by not being ass holes
Have you ever seen the movie Se7en with Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman? I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t do what Brad Pitt did at the end of that movie. Not a single person. And I wouldn’t blame them either.
Just the other day someone posted on here that their uncle died from covid after getting sucked into the alt-right pseudo-medicine rabbit hole. And the comments were all just vile shit like “I’m glad your dumbass uncle died” and “1 down only like 20 million to go”, “good riddance he deserved it” etc. And when I point out shit talking this guy for losing someone he loved is fucked up I get downvoted lol. We can’t even come together online, let alone in person.
Whoever is running things know that we simply cannot get along, we cannot forgive each other, we cannot unite. It’s their greatest tool honestly. Could you forgive maga?
I don’t think I’d do what Brad Pitt did at the end of that movie, one-shot kill is far too kind and reasonable for the state of mind I’d be in.
Hmmm…
people and children in cages
the bombing of civilians
poisioning of natural ecosystems
abject torture and abuse of the innocent
nope. I’d think about it for a bit, though.
I wouldn’t forgive, but you could always give the veneer of forgiveness in order to get them on your side. It sounds machiavellian, but sometimes using cult tactics like love bombing against people who are susceptible to such tactics, as magats have shown to be susceptible to, is necessary for a better world. You don’t have to forgive them in your heart.
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Yeah, but they can create the conditions where altruism is a non beneficial trait that ultimately leads to your untimely end. The goal isn’t for them to personally intervene in people’s lives, just to create the conditions that are most desirable to maintain their own position.
That’s why they’ve spent decades attacking the kindness of the working class. Turning the idea of charity into an insult, Christianity into prosperity Gospel, and being neighborly into an immigrant sympathizer. They want the lower class to idolize the same kind of disregard for empathy that made them rich to begin with.
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I feel the same way, it’s just an uphill battle that seems to be getting harder by the decade.
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Yep, all you can do is your best. Just keep one foot in front of the other and you’ll eventually end up old and tired, but hopefully content and with a mostly clear conscience.
Things have always been more fucked up than the general public likes to acknowledge, but I do admit that I really feel for younger people. I’m middle aged and have seen a lot in my time, but it does seem like the kids are going to have an even tougher go at it than I did, which is saying a lot. At least I got to see the analog world, before the towers fell and America cranked the crazy to 11, a time before the end of history.
Don’t fuck billionaires. There needs to be an embargo on sex for billionaires.
Imagine how drastically the world could change if they need to give away enough of their wealth to put them below $1B net worth before they can get laid again!
I often wonder if our broken and fucked up capitalistic world wouldn’t do a complete backflip into the dirt once all that wealth poured out into the hands of common folk.
Like, it only “”“works”“” if the system itself is corrupt. The utilities, medicines and food the currency pays for are just as they are, there isn’t more because people have more money to buy it. Wouldn’t the result be everything inflating in price to insane heights?
I’m not justifying billionares, hell no, just making sure all the people who want the dam to break know what to do with the water.
Wouldn’t the result be everything inflating in price to insane heights?
I don’t think so. That’s a rationalization mainstream economists use for not fixing the system. They’ll say shit like “low unemployment rates are bad for the economy because if everyone has a job then they can all afford to spend money and that will cause inflation.” It’s complete bullshit based in a flawed idea of what makes an economy “healthy.”
“Supply and Demand” is more dogma than science. We’ve seen time and again that it only holds true when the wealthy want it to hold true, when it benefits them. Otherwise they manipulate numbers and make them do whatever else they want to do.
Would a total wealth redistribution cause some turbulence? Maybe at first, but not to the degree you fear. It would break through the corporate capture that allows them to keep prices artificially high
More likely though, it will take a time of great turbulence and upheaval for that redistribution to occur; such as the coming bursting of the AI bubble compounded with the failure of the US dollar, the insolvency of the US government, and all the second- and third- order effects of that and bad governance…
Oh god, keep going, you’re almost to the good part with the guillotines and court hearings.
If I remember correctly, mind you it’s been over two decades probably but the defining point at which he decides it’s okay to eat the fish is when he notices that the fish had been eating other fish when they fillayed it
Lol it’s probably been about as long for me since I read it. That sounds about right. It’s a good analogy though.
Uhhh I don’t know what I should do with this information.
It’s just generally beneficial to be aware. Besides that, if you are interacting with someone who is bigoted in some way it’s useful to determine which type they are. If they are just sold to the narrative then it’s easier to open up their mind. If they are aware it’s bullshit that just benefits them then it’s pretty difficult.
Damn, sorry to hear that. Hope you get better soon!
“You don’t understand; my house ****** is one of the good ones.”
Better than being “sold down the river”. Very few people stand up and fight for the good, the true, and the just.
Bigotry isn’t a reasonable position, so it’s pretty expected to find contradictions and brain dead takes from bigots
I’m not a historian but I believe the sad truth is that they saw them like animals; capable of being trained to do jobs but not smart enough to understand more complex issues or choose the tasks themselves
Like a dog. You can train your dog to guard your house or hunt birds but you probably don’t trust your dog to vote
It’s fucked up
I’ve seen how people vote. I’d take the chances with the dogs, so maybe a bad example. I feel like they might be able to better know who’s a piece of shit than most humans can.
One Sunday morning I walked out into my ex’s open garage and sitting in there was a stray dog. Her neck fur had a mark as though someone recently pulled off her collar and dumped her on the back road. I calmly approached the dog and turns out she was the sweetest doggo and instantly got along with my ex’s other 2 dogs. She rarely barked and would always just walk up to someone, sit and wait to get petted. Even the ex’s dad who doesn’t like dogs eventually warmed up to her because of how sweet she was.
Weeks later we took her to an event downtown on an unseasonably hot fall afternoon beer fest. That dog wanted nothing more than to just get pet by as many people as possible. Outside the front door of a brewery was a worker sitting in a chair almost drenched in sweat looking like he hated life. She walked up to him, sat down and looked at him, and he instantly smiled.
Working one of the beer tents was an interim director of HR from my job who was one of the most miserable shit-birds I ever had the displeasure to work with. She did nothing but complain about everything and everyone, blindly blamed everyone for things she simply didn’t understand, I even nearly got written up because this lady didn’t take the time to read my explanation about an error report when new employees are loaded into a benefits system. Even the sweetest dog wanted nothing to do with that miserable fuck.
I’ll trust the dogs to be a better judge of character than half the mouthbreathers who vote at the polls.
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And yet you keep defending Elmo’s nazi salute…
What is actually rattling around inside that head of yours?
Because I don’t care if a I like someone or not, I’m not going to lie about what actually happened
they are though.
anyone who grew up in the american suburbs grew up with parents who couldn’t cook a proper meal despite the existence of cookbooks and were like ‘how about kraft dinner.’
you think you eat kraft macaroni and cheese at a hood bbq?
i’d rather have had a black woman cooking for me lol. are you fucking serious?
Why should I be bigoted over skin color when I can be bigoted over culture and religion. After all I have met good folks of many ethnic and racial groups, I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn’t want to feed to the Joshua Trees.
I can be bigoted over culture and religion
I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn’t want to feed to the Joshua Trees.
I’m always thrown back to the Southpark guys when I think about lay Mormons. The whole “All About Mormons” episode (nevermind the Book of Mormon stage play) absolutely eviscerates the philosophy. But their attitude to actual religious practitioners is inevitably that they’re just nice, simple-minded people. And going after any individual Mormon for their faith is a bit like going up to Santa Claus exhibit at the mall and screaming “Fake! Fake! It’s all bullshit consumerism! Your parents are buying the presents!”
There’s definitely shit people who are Mormon (Mitt Romney being the ur-example). But then there’s shit people in every religious and philosophical niche. My cousin is married to a practicing Mormon and he’s an absolute marshmallow sweetheart. All smiles, great with kids, quick to help anyway he can. Soft spoken, non-judgemental, a shameless teatoddler who is always happy to be the designated driver. You can raz him for being a bit bland and he’ll laugh at your jokes, then maybe tease you about having had one too many coffees.
It’s the people who are easy to bully and scare and intimidate that can make for a very dangerous “Silent Majority”, because they’ll just kinda go along to get along. But they’re also fundamental to a peaceful, productive, and happy society when benevolent and visionary leaders are at the helm. If your society is all contrarian, belligerent, hard-drinking, fist-clenching, radical revolutionary/reactionary agitprop breathing soldiers of fortune, what you get is just endless fighting and misery and slaughter.
Ya do realize I have more reason to hate Utah Mormons than just they’re different right? I specifically focus on the Utahn culture and religious practices of Mormons because I see them as an active threat to basically every western state. If I could get away with just purging BYU, LDS HQ, and the Utahn government I’d be more than happy to settle for that, I just severely doubt that would end my complaints.
If it makes it any more understandable I am far less forgiving towards Evangelical mega churches, which all I can think is that there are only viable targets for such groups.
A lot of the individuals aren’t in there entirely of their own will though. Particularly with BYU, the institution itself is a cancer, but the individual students are really not at fault (at least certainly not all of them). The university portrays itself very differently than it actually is, and you effectively cannot leave the mormon church while you attend (unless you want to get kicked out and have all your time there completely wasted).
Which is why I would simply loot and distribute whatever is usable IE lab equipment, research papers, et cetera and then burn down the facility with at least some of the faculty within. My end goal would be to destroy the social control mechanism that the Mormon church uses, if there is no Mormon universities then they have to send them to at minimum a non Mormon one. My point is to do enough infrastructural damage that the Mormon church either dies, loses control, or becomes more moderate.
Mind you I’m mostly focused on the fancy showy shit, pretty hard to be a bloodthirsty jackass when talking about seizing assets and outlawing church owned companies, portfolios, and putting a cap on tithes. Most of the damage that one could do is to break them outside of Utah, but you also need to strike the Utah shit as well to prevent them from going insular bunker mode again and having to do the same thing yet again in 100 years.
I have more reason to hate Utah Mormons than just they’re different right?
A rationalization, certainly.
If I could get away with just purging BYU, LDS HQ, and the Utahn government I’d be more than happy to settle for that
Downright Israeli of you.
I am far less forgiving towards Evangelical mega churches
It just sounds like you’re on the warpath.
Yeah I have a rational and structure to whom I hate, that’s called a philosophy. Sure mine may be rather notable in modernity for its archaicism and weird reference points, but I don’t particularly care since if my ideology was followed fascists wouldn’t be threatening the American project so thoroughly. Live and let live only works when the other person also respects the truce.
If the Israelis only targeted directly hostile entities and didn’t intentionally go out of their way to create new ones they wouldn’t be of note. But they can’t they’re too obsessed with so called Lebensraum, how I hope to see their cities sacked and a new diaspora created.
I wish I was on a warpath, but I am not at liberty to take such actions sadly. Too many folks don’t have enough hate in their hearts towards the preacher, the politician, and the businessman. There ain’t a thing that you or anyone else could say to me to assuage my want to burn and salt the earth.
Tyler Robinson is alright
Erika Kirk agrees
What a silly question, of course they are
Yes
Always have been.
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It is a post from 4chan so unfortunately that kind of language is to be expected. I’m hoping people here don’t use i, or wish to normalise it.
4chan is a disgusting community filled with … well rightwing filth
Yes. Yes, racists are retarded. There is no logical reason to harbour discrimination towards any ethnic group or rage of Humans. Therefore, those who do aren’t logical or rational individuals.
Yes, and also, I don’t think they liked their children that much
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, however this is a strawman argument. I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.
It’s obviously not a strict one-to-one relationship but I do think more intelligent people are on average slightly less racist.
I think the issue is we don’t really have a measurement for intelligence. Qualitatively, I think you are more intelligent if you have the reasoning capabilities to logic yourself out of reactionary feelings like racism, but it’s really hard to measure that.
I don’t think such moral questions are at all influenced by intelligence, personally. Is there any data on this? I imagine it must be very hard since biological differences exists and it all kinda boils down to value judgments, which cannot be derived directly from scientific research alone. I realize while arguing this that is is an extremely sensitive and hairy subject to even argue around. I appreciate you entertaining this 😄😄
Morality is influenced by ‘intelligence’ in like every way. Your ability to contrive bullshit and keep buying that bullshit, your willingness to terminate thoughts, your curiosity, and your ability to see why things matter and do shit like extend the scale of the self or take differing perspectives are all directly functions of various cognitive and psychological factors often called ‘intelligence’. Broadly intelligent people who are also pieces of shit are rare. Deeply stupid people who are broadly moral are rare. Even the ways people suck change as they acquire more ‘intelligence’.
Please cut the anti intellectual bullshit.
No need to be hostile. I don’t hear any direct counter arguments here other than you don’t agree with my claim. I am simply basing my opinion on the fact that I have not seen any evidence of there being a documented correlation, and also because history is full of very intelligent people being very racist and pro slavery.
You’re right, only stupid people are nice and good.
You do not seem very interested in having an honest discussion about this. That’s fine. Have a nice day anyway 😅
He’s too smart not to be an insufferable prick.
Your ability to contrive bullshit and keep buying that bullshit, your willingness to terminate thoughts, your curiosity, and your ability to see why things matter and do shit like extend the scale of the self or take differing perspectives are all directly functions of various cognitive and psychological factors often called ‘intelligence’.
But all of that can still end in a racist worldview, depending on what directions you take your train of thought and what conclusions you find most plausible. That’s the old “FBI Crime Statistics” and “Social Darwinism” / “Bell Curve” gambit. And it works on a large number of proven intellectuals. FFS, James Watson - one of the pioneers of modern genetics - is a frothing racist. Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger is a Christian Nationalist. Being “smart” isn’t a panacea for being gullible.
At some point, “intelligent” people are more vulnerable to misinformation than their “dumb” peers, because they have more experience absorbing and applying advanced theories and philosophies without fully grasping how they work. The more advanced you get in any scientific field, the more you’re forced to accept on faith because you recognize you simply don’t have the time or the energy to delve down every academic rabbit hole. The end result is a certain scholastic dogma that people cling to because they simply accept prior generations have done the leg-work.
Present information in the pastiche of academia and you can reliably delude academics and scholars up front. Argue convincingly with the right jargon, present walls of data with citations and graphics, and follow the superficial mannerisms of trustworthy peers. You’ll catch lots of people who have trained themselves to correlate the structure of the presentation as inherently trustworthy.
By contrast, folks who aren’t familiar or experienced with a certain scholarly formulation won’t be fooled simply because they don’t know how to absorb the information or recognize the display as a trustworthy format.
Outliers disprove the trend, its true. I’m glad I used absolute terms with no nuance and didn’t acknowledge this literally first thing in my comment.
Outliers disprove the trend, its true.
They define it’s limits and illustrate it’s flaws.
But what I see most commonly referred to as “intelligence” tends to be phrased as “common wisdom”. You cannot simultaneously be “smart” and “wrong”. Therefore, placidly regurgitating the correct answers somehow signify more intelligence than painstakingly carving out another view.
I’m glad I used absolute terms with no nuance
Well, that’s sort of the joke, isn’t it?
So glad I didn’t indicate what I meant by the words I used and why they might matter.
I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.
I do. Racism is in direct conflict with Empathy and Empathy can be biologically explained by Mirror Neurons, which influences how learning works. At least the Learning by Example type of education.
Is empathy a form of intelligence?
I think I explained what I thought well enough. Both Empathy and “Learning by Example” are tied to Mirror Neurons. In short, assholes tend to be very dumb. At least in my experience.
thank you for the explanation
I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.
Increasingly byzantine rationalizations for why you’re an asshole used to be the centerpiece of conservative intellectualism. You could get a PhD in racism if you worked hard enough. The SCOTUS and the appellate courts are packed with people who can tie an argument in knots to justify some new level of human misery. The Pentagon and its contracting affiliates are stuffed with top tier engineers and logistical savants and IT professionals fully inducted into the white supremacist worldview.
Some of the most impressive feats of social engineering have occurred in order to perpetuate social anxiety between ethnic groups.
It’s a product of lazy thinking.
Instead of evaluating people on an individual basis it’s categorizing them based on some physical trait. That has nothing to do with their behavior or personality.
This is why bigotry is the game of the lazy thinkers.
Lazy thinkers are not intelligent because to foster intelligence one must delve into things. Consider things. Contemplate how things work.
Not just accept crude rules because it’s easy.
This trait is called. Need for cognition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_cognition
It’s highly correlated with intelligence.
Oh, you’ve never been outside?
OP should watch Django
Read “The Autobiography of Malcolm X”
Plenty of Black people were ready to accept the situation.
Calling someone ‘African’ used to be a huge insult.
