I agree, but also, if you want to see a community run how you like it to be run, you came create one yourself. Just saying.

Artificial sun rising from the EAST? These guys know how to name things.

I haven’t been talking about this specific case about Cloudflare, at all. To set the record straight, I am unequivocally against the Italy government trying to ban pirate sites, that’s absolutely wrong.

What I am arguing against is the absolutist sentiment that “censorship is always wrong, in whatever circumstances, no matter what it is used to do”. Granted, I could have been more tactful talking about this under a post where the government is using censorship to do a terrible thing. But my position is still my position.

Like, we want gun control, don’t we? Because gun kills people. Speech can kill people too! Many, many people has died because of the current rise of vaccine hesitancy. If you want to regulate guns to reduce harm, why won’t you want to regulate speech too?

Your thinking is so calcified by the specific laws of the united states of America it is frustrating. Laws are written by mere mortals like you and me. When those bunch of dudes wrote the Constitution more than two hundred years ago, they couldn’t have imagined the internet in theirs wildest dreams. And that’s without pointing out that the reason they valued absolute freedom of speech so much can be largely attributed to the historical backdrop at the time.

A long time has passed, something better is possible. It’s time to think again from first principles.

People seems to be fine with corporate censorship, but government censorship is somehow a no-no. I don’t get it. Corporate censorship is still censorship, but it’s now worse. Because you have now given up democratic control of what to censor, and let the tech billionaires have free reign over it. Twitter could ban Trump today, and promote fascism tomorrow and you’d have no say. (oh waiiit, that actually happened?!?!). If you think twitter banning Trump in 2021 is a good thing, why won’t you want the power to vote to ban Trump?

I could be wrong, I am open to change my mind, but please give me a good counter-argument.

The “you don’t need to censor fascists, bigots, racists, etc., you just have to be louder than them” idea hadn’t worked. The world had decades to make it work but didn’t succeed. It is ideologically pure, I’ll give you that. Really nice if you can drive those bad people out without dirtying your own hands with censorship. But I have lost confidence that that approach can ever work.

What about censoring neo Nazis? What about banning Trump from Twitter?

Cf has always been taking the “freedom of speech absolutist” approach.

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I feel like it doesn’t have to be either or? I’d like a touch bar in addition to fn keys. Too bad nobody is making that option.

通用 doesn’t really mean “common”, it’s more like “all purpose” or something.

Where is the beauty in billionaires taking over the world and fucking everybody?