Media in US is run by trump’s friends and unfortunately foreign news is relying on them to report.
March’s NoKings was the biggest protest in US history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size#List
And it had almost no coverage internally or in foreign media.
The thing about America is, for every person who cares, there are 3 idiots with guns who would love to be the next Kyle Rittenhouse. They aren’t even all republikkkans. Just boot lickers with a murder fantasy
The White House doesn’t look like that anymore. It is a construction site. That’s what you get when you elect a real estate manager twice.
A real estate manager who literally isn’t smart enough to learn how to wipe his own ass.
Similar happening in DC would result in a rapid spike in ICE detentions and missing person reports.
Best we can do is another acronym for Trump or a bumper sticker
Rebellion against the Imperium usually begins in the provinces.
No it begins in the large cities when a critical mass of people don’t want to abide by the given rules anymore instead they want to write their own.
These threads are full of useful idiots and propagandists shitting on Americans.
I’m so bored by this nonsense. At least get more clever if you’re going to try to divide all of us.
The way I see it, we’re all in this together. Even the Russian people are my ally if they oppose fascism and corruption. These are my people… All people who want a better world.
But sure, enjoy your indulgences if this thread is your thing. May your lives be as short as Trump’s should be.
At least get more clever if you’re going to try to divide all of us.
Is the opposite is the goal? reunite US against the empire?
Yes, Russians and Americans are definitely allies now. That’s part of the problem.
My guy It’s about the people being against fascism, not the governments of those people.
You would be surprised what average Russian citizen wants.
I’m surprised everyday by what my fellow US Americans want. I imagine it’s not much different than what propaganda the average russian citizen believes.
There are people in both countries that know what empathy is, and understand they’re being lied to though.
Yes, USA and Russia is similar. Trump won 2 times in USA same as Putin won couple of fair elections before they stopped being fair. Both USA and Russia are full of bloodthirsty, racist people that believe they live in the greatest country in the world. It’s not an accident that brutal dictators raised to power there. It’s a direct expression of the desires of their citizens. Only when the oppression starts to affect them personally they begin to see the light.
against whom exactly ? Europe ?
Russian government ≠ Russian people
Jesus, the stupid Russiaphobia and cold war hangover is what they’re using to keep you idiots supporting the war machine.
The Russian people are not your enemy.
No I wouldn’t say the Russian people are the enemy either. But their autocratic government invading Ukraine aren’t exactly high on my list of potential allies.
It’s not the Russian people that were fighting, but we should be fighting autocracy wherever it happens to be, and it happens to be in Russia. Being allies isn’t like being sister cities. Our autocratic govt is in bed with their autocratic govt.
How is advocating for the people to come together and fight “trying to divide all of you”?
Is that REALLY what this meme is trying to say? Or is it yet another “uSA sUckS! Durrr!” meme?
No it’s get your fckin lazy asses up
We’re all equal, it’s just that some are more equal than others
I’m twice as equal as the rest of you plebs.
BS Americans were getting shot execution style protesting ice. Do we need more protest and civil disobedience? YES but this is garbage
To be fair, its like a 2 day drive for me to get to the Capitol, and gas alone would cost like $1k.
carpool?
At least one of those shots is behind a permanent spiked perimeter fence that you get arrested or shot for crossing. Also Trump keeps moving the White House temporary perimeter fence back further from the White House. I need to check if the Capitol Building is currently fenced off
It’s also not a current picture since you know, a 3rd of the white house isn’t rubble
And there’s still a lawn, instead of a parking lot
No monster trucks, fighting cages, or trailer parks to be seen. Definitely an old pic.
Well we had No Kings protests. Police have shot and killed our citizens in the process of that. In my area, during a protest, police grabbed, dragged, and shot a protestor point blank in the eye with a less than lethal gun (he’s blind now)
Yeah, and the freedom people who once frothed at the mouth about wanting to fight tyrants are now probably the ones shooting protestors happily now.
All for the tribe.
“guys, we went on a permitted march in favor of slightly less shitty authoritarian neoliberals, what more do you want?”
Nobody was shot and killed for No Kings. What the people were shot and killed by ICE for was direct action of rapid response against ICE.
We had a similar per capita rate of participation in No Kings as France has had in its recent demonstrations. But the US has a much lower population density over a much larger land area, so the protests appeared smaller despite having millions more people in the streets.
Yeah, that’s the thing about a protest, it doesn’t help unless you have a structure to harness this energy. When police started shooting at protesters in Ukraine in 2014, several political and activist organisations banded together with people, and together they used this fear and anger to resist and ultimately win.
That’s exactly what the Serbian protestors were forced to do as well - and unlike Ukraine, they didn’t have lots of CIA backing to help them.
Well political activist organizations were already banded together going to No Kings protests when those citizens were shot, for some reason we’re not winning yet
I am very plugged in on the American politics, and yet I have no idea which ones you can mean. This means that either those organisations are small enough so they don’t even break the local social media barrier, or they were so quiet after that, they didn’t even try to do anything on any public level.
Two people were executed on the streets by the regime, and the reaction was less severe than when a shitty musician was shitty.
And people have lost their eyes protesting the redesign of a train station here in Germany. Clashes with law enforcement are to be expected when you protest the government. You don’t tuck in your tail because of that.
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I mean sure, ignore the protests from earlier this year where millions turned out across the nation, but sure…
Sorry to comment twice. But are you actually real? Like a human with breath and a beating heart? You don’t fundamentally understand that difference here? These people are fighting, the “demonstrations” in America have had zero bite, and any real fight in them has been squashed by their own people. You HAVE to see that.
L the fuck M A O
And did what? They didn’t disrupt anything. Parades on weekends are good for raising awareness, I’m not going to say they are useless. But they are fundamentally different from the other examples given.
Gotten shot and killed by lowest-bidder wannabe cops, who faced zero consequences. And our wannabe dictator said there would be no consequences for killing protesters. The reality is living conditions aren’t bad enough yet for most people to be willing to risk that.
So as it turns out, violence and fear tactics do work…
I’ve often been surprised at how living in America is perceived by the world. I’ve met a lot of people from all over the world, and while some have actually spent enough time here to understand the good and the bad. The rest who have not seem to believe in the shiny veneer that we export in our movies and television.
We are absolute wage slaves here. We are one missed paycheck from homelessness. But sure, blame the slaves for not overthrowing their owners.
You are wage slaves who have a higher standard of living than the other wage slaves that are exploited in order to enable the availability of cheap consumer goods which keep the people docile.
This is about the English (and written in 1882) but now also applies to the USA:
Engels wrote: “You ask me what the English workers think about colonial policy. Well, exactly the same as they think about politics in general. There is no workers’ party here, there are only Conservatives and Liberal-Radicals, and the workers gaily share the feast of England’s monopoly of the world market and the colonies.”
This is an expert from Lenin: Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism which I think should be read prior to Settlers if only to disarm the reader from defensiveness. Sakai didn’t invent the idea of the bourgeoisie proletariat, he was building on the ideas of others.
The Chinese aren’t protesting either. For similar reasons too.
I’m not sure the connection? (Genuine)
They’re some of that forced slave labor making the goods that the Americans are wage slaves to consume.
I’d rather have less buying power to buy useless shit I don’t need than to be one paycheck away from homelessness
I think that’s a pretty universal opinion.
I dont understand the logic though so please help me here. I have lived in the US and do have a good idea of how shitty things are (or were even back then). Things will not improve by inaction and are objectively getting worse. So yes, you risk a lot by acting but if you dont your life will continue to get worse and you’ll end up homeless anyway. Or worse.
No one is coming to save you. You live in the most powerful country in the world. Nobody is going to come in and liberate you. Your only option is to save yourself.
Nobody is claiming it will be easy, simple, or clean. But what other option is left? This is why the rest of us are baffled. Especially since the US has built up the reputation of having a rebellious spirit. Where is that spirit now?
I can make this simple: would you be the first to step in front of the firing squad when you have no idea if others will join you in rushing it?
We are not a united people here.
This might be it, because you do pay change for the better with blood, the history is filled with it. The army is brought in, it goes overboard and they open fire on protesters, in every country everywhere throughout history, before people realise what’s happening.
Good luck Americans, this seems to be your turn.
I know that. No one is saying you as an individual need to do this right now. We are saying you need to organize. I think this is a cultural misunderstanding.
When I say ‘you’ I am not referring to an individual. Im referring to you as a people. Maybe that misunderstanding is evidence of the hyper individualism your country has subtly snuck into your lives that prevents you (again a collective you) from doing so.
What did you think I meant by, “we are not a united people”?
You can’t organize peace with people who idealize a fascist society
No one is coming to save you.
Yeah, because they’re all too busy enacting fascism in their own country to do anything about the growing US threat except lick boots. Save us? Lmao you better be thinking about saving yourself once the consequences start rolling in.
Strategically, the best option other nations have to solve the American Problem is to prepare to weather the storm and let the country collapse by itself.
Historically what’s going on now with the US is a pretty straightforward “fall of the Empire” scenario (the biggest Empires invariably fall from internal problems as the generations that created the Empire are replaced by generations which know nothing more than wealth extraction) and interfering with that is a great way to be targetted as a scapegoat by the falling empire’s elites and suffer the side-effects of that empire’s death throes.
Looking from the outside, even if Trump is stopped, the problem will at best be delayed since the other party of the Power Duopoly that controls America is also deeply corrupt and done their part in the decay of that country for the last couple of decades (by weakening unions, deregulating Finance, unconditionally saving big companies, having Financial and Economic policies which reward Rentierism above Work, and so on) - Trump is not the malaise that’s killing America, he’s a symptom of that malaise and removing him will not solve the problem, will not stop another one like him to take over in the future and will not alter the trendof decay, only the speed of it.
As for the idea that Fascism is taking over in other countries, well, the rest is well behind the US in it and it’s exactly the point of the OP that people in other countries are already starting to push against it, well before it gets to the level seen in the US of jackboots (for the US that would be ICE) going around arbitrarilly arresting and even killing people.
Seriously. The global ultra rich are all working from the same basic playbook. It’s just happening here first due to the extreme concentration of wealth.
We are thinking about that. In fact, as per OPs post, many are acting on it.
No, I meant this part:
do anything about the growing US threat
“No one is coming to save you” is such a petty, disgusting thing to say when the people you’re looking down on are being turned into the cogs of a machine that has the entire world in its sights. The world needs to save itself from us.
Protests are not the only option, but when asked why Americans are not making meaningful resistance the argument always boils down to: We have protests! Or We can’t protest!
Perhaps the most cursory look at why these actions are successful in different countries is worth a gander. It’s not that France couldn’t crush every protest with their military.
The difference is the US 100% will and won’t even apologize for it. Then the
stateoligarch run media will say they were “Terrorists”. Hell, the black lives matters protests in Oregon they spent weeks showing the “devastation” the protesters caused, it was like one square block and they had police dressing like protesters instigating the violence so they could disappear people.News are circling around the 3% (some are allegedly undercover cops, some are from fascist groups, and more ofc.) that break things, so yeah France is doing the same thing. No talk about why, only about that poor person that got their window smashed. 24/7.
Mainstream media are doing exactly the same in France and they all belong to, oh wait, some right wing billionaire.
It’s almost like someone somewhere is showing the user manual to the others.
Edit: It’s even worse than that. They are saying all the bad guys are extreme leftist from LFI (the most successful left party), gouvernement is somewhat implying the same and some officials even said they should remove this party from power and the upcoming presidential election. They are trying to make the opposition illegal and pave the way for the Fascist. It’s a fucking shit show, of course we need to riot and burn the system, that’s the only thing they are afraid of.
Did you read the second part of my comment.
Yea, unless I miss interpreted you were saying yes France could crush protests, my point is that they most likely won’t, where in the US they will, and people know they will. see Kent State.
My comment was that protests are not the only option and if you look at why the protests in the other countries are effective, it might give you a little hint about non protest actions that would be useful.
are motherfuckers in the us still not aware of trump???
Lol
But a genuine comment because people think I’m a big meanie:
It’s helpful to know that folks aren’t alone and also helpful for orgs who are already doing things to improve the material conditions of their community to get some publicity and maybe some new helping hands.
Maybe then america will realize they have power, and the revolution might not be exactly the same as their last one
it’s also helpful to fight against tyranny though
I mean this in the least antagonist way possible: I don’t think anything I said excludes fighting tyranny.
then… go fight tyranny then?
I think you might be misunderstanding my comments or maybe I’m misunderstanding yours because I am very lost.
I added the “protests aren’t totally useless” thing as a way to combat defensiveness after I replied to the top level comment comparing recent US protests (such as No Kings) to the protests shown in the meme. It’s absurd to compare the two, and not because of the violence that occurs at them. The reason the type of action shown in the image can be impactful is because there have specific goals and targets in contrast to what amount to an awareness campaign or parade.
I think theyre already aware. They just wont do anything of substance to stop it.
If you go your whole life hearing it’s your god given right to have all the privilege and comfort you have (which is still a pittance in comparison to the rich but more than the people exploited to provide cheap goods) it’s hard to risk them.
The anti-US psy-op has been very effective here
America is doing a very effective anti-US psy-op by being fucking terrible.
I’m so tired of this idea that these sparse, scheduled, legal events are considered protests.
which sparse ones are you referencing? It seems like you are wondering why CNBC isn’t showing you all the local protests even in conservative towns?
I genuinely do not understand this level of delusion…
Look, these protests are ineffective. Period. They’re nothing more than photo ops for social media. I don’t care if they’re happening everyday and the news isn’t reporting, they are not doing anything to alleviate any of the issues this country is facing.
Yeah obviously they haven’t successfully overthrown Trump yet. What is delusional about me telling you the revolution will not be televised?
“I know that reference!!”
Gotta retweet ot now 😌
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I’m tired of the idea that looting stores and burning public buildings is an effective way to protest.
Most protests in Europe are also legal events. You ask for permit to march through a city. Only in some places rioters started destroying things. So far peaceful protests in Spain forced government to pass housing laws requested by people and call snap elections while all riots in France achieved is curfew.
Spain has a left wing government (the last time I looked at least) they play by the rules it seems (people ask, government provide as it can).
In France the right have sold out the country to the rich, more or less stole the prime ministers seat (after the snap elections it should have gone to the left, surprise surprise it didn’t) , they couldn’t care less about housing prices and so on.
So when you say france only obtained a curfew you show that you don’t understand those two countries political landscapes.
The fight goes on ✊🏼
So when you say france only obtained a curfew you show that you don’t understand those two countries political landscapes.
What else did they gain? After the riots support Le Pen grew. You really think this is good for the left and our fight?
It’s just the beginning.
French gvt just offered a rework on university selections which is one of the students demands, and more space in unis for more students, which is also something demanded.
So what’s your deal, lay back on the floor and do nothing?
Yes, they will gradually change university selection. Elections are in May, Macron is basically saying “the next person will do something about it, trust me”.
What they should have done? I would say same thing as in Serbia: organize, mobilize, build support for people they want to see leading the country and get them elected. Burning schools and public buildings achieves nothing.
It’s sad that people no longer understand the difference between working towards some goal and violent lashing out. Hopefully lemmy is just an echo chamber fetishizing violence and most people are smarter than that. Hopefully we will see more countries follow Spanish example than the French one.
Oh so you’re one of those people. You think you are 100% right, and absolutely nothing will change your mind.
No need to discuss further, because you are just changing your tube to any new information that contradicts what you said before. For example if I say we already do mobilise, build support to elect Glucksman, you will only spew some other bs.
No need to respond.
When are these images taken? Currently the White House and National Mall look like a trailer park aftter a tornado rampaged through it.
Why are trailer parks always the example for when something looks like shit? Im genuinely asking. Trailer parks where I live arent bad at all. Im not saying they look like mansions but people generally take care of them and make an effort to keep their property looking nice.
The comparison is after a tornado has been through it. Trailer parks don’t do well against tornadoes
Ah. That makes more sense.
The joke/stereotype answer is that: Americans don’t have time for that, they need to hustle else they get fired from their fourth job.
I think one part of why the general strike has been postponed is that USA is more like 50 different countries. And that even if it’s bad now, and getting worse by the day, the pain threshold is still not being reached for enough people.
And I am sure there’s much better answers than mine.
The pain threshold is not definitely not high enough to get the average American to risk everything.
I also think most people are waiting for the election to solve problems. Which is stupid, I know, but like I said in my post having a bunch of people breaking into stores and destroying property right now will just boost Trump. Right now he’s fucking floundering and extremely unpopular.
If we’re gonna have mass protests it needs to be after the election when he tries to deny results.
Literally every time this is brought up one of the top answers is ‘its not a good time to act’. When will it be a good time to act?
When he tries to deny or overturn the results of elections from 50 separate states (again) because he’s a whiny crybaby bitch and most Americans are sick of his shit?
Did you not read the first part of my comment when I said the pain threshold isn’t high enough?
Did you forget my other comment (that you bookmarked) where I said people ARE acting every day to resist ICE?
PlaidBaron is right though, why all the downvotes?
You think you’ll all rise up after an event that already happened once, that is delusional IMO.
I don’t have a perfect answer to your mess, but I don’t think waiting is the answer.
Good luck, you need it.
Then you all need to reevaluate what is an acceptable pain threshold.
You and I don’t get to decide that for other individuals or the collective.
Agreed. But I can judge them for it.
Believe me I do too. I’ve said for a while it’s going to take a lot of pain to snap the average American out of acceptance. Right now things are just uncomfortable for most. I don’t know what the threshold is but I suspect we’ll hit it before 2028.
We are acting. It’s just diffuse and not loud. And, granted, it may not be enough.
For now the focus is on the election, to get the opposition party in power, to reform the opposition party away from neoliberalism, to plan to, for the next two years hold accountable everyone in the political class and plutocratic class who engaged in corruption and self dealing.
The fight doesn’t end there. We still need to rebalance the federal powers. We still need to make anew the regulatory bodies, to reforge international relations and rethink our role in the world, to create social safety nets, to reconsider our national security model… the list is long, and the problems that need addressing have been around since before Trump, just as the problems that beleaguere Europe have been festering for a while.
The question is if we can confront the disproportionate power of the patrician class and business interests though the political system. The preponderance of data centers disrupting neighborhoods, and of officials who have signed NDAs shows us the corruption is entrenched even at the local level.
The American people need to organize twelve million strong under a common manifesto. If we can do thatn there are several options open to us, violent or otherwise (though we are erring towards non-violent) that will disrupt industry and overwhelm responders, and leverage the American economy against moneyed interests. And we’ll need to have a clear set of demands when we do it.
As someone who isn’t even rallying calls to action, but simply suggesting that people exercise the second amendment and get involved in their community, and having those ideas rejected?
Literal mad max scenario.
Me? I never said anything about the second ammendment. I know you Americans are gun happy but thats not what I said.
We’ve just learned from the Civil Rights movement…
Black men and women tried exercising their First Amendment rights, but nobody listened until they exercised their Second Amendment rights.
And then Reagan started the gun control laws
You were asking when the time for action would be.
I’m telling you americans will never act.
Ah got it. Sorry. There are many angry Americans on this thread who are not happy with my opinions. Which is fine. They have that right. But they seem to think they can just make any dissenters shut up with the I dont like this button and liberal use of ad hominem attacks.
Godspeed my friend.
If it’s that much of a 50 different countries, why one of those “countries” didn’t organize the “country”-wide strike even once?
they need to hustle else they get fired from their fourth job.
The problem is; wait another year and it’ll be, “get fired from their fifth job.” Alas; getting to that point, enough times, is what it takes. Once there is no time left, and no money left, and no food left, and the littles are too listless even to cry.
Get to that point a few times (eg: 1789, 1848, 1968), and you start choosing to stand in the tear gas early.
