It offers also news search as well as image and video search. Filtering out AI images. Guaranteed AI summary free.
You guys are still using Google?
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!
Goddamn fuckers just won’t stop!!!
I tried looking for an instruction PDF for some stage lights the other day. No amount of “google-fu” could find the right thing. Links labeled as one model showed stuff for other models when clicked, and the god awful summary that it shoves in your face was just full of contradictions of itself. Google is warm trash water at this point.
What the fuck are we supposed to do when the services we use are monopolies which actively seeks to destroy its competition as well as enshittify itself to a point its unusable :|
Time to start self hosting.
Time to start self hosting
There is simply no usable self-hosted search engine. There are some projects like Yacy or Searxng, but they do not have their own index. And having your own self-hosted index is kind of impossible because you need to save the whole of the web on your own devices to be able to search it.
And pirate. Steal anything they try and sell to you
Point of order, if you mean pirate as in infringe copyright, that isn’t stealing.
I mean get a group of friends together and start pillaging Target stores.
Time to start self hosting.
The time was 10 years ago.
And the next best time is now. Kinda like planting trees.
ten year ago there were still things we could have done to stop google. now is too late…
Thanks I fucking hate it.
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so many better Google alternatives out there:
- https://noai.duckduckgo.com/
- https://ecosia.org/
- https://searx.space/ (pick any of the 50+ instances)
- https://www.qwant.com/
- https://www.startpage.com/
Ecosia seems to be pushing the aI stuff hard as well, but at least you have to press the obnoxious AI buttons to get it. Still, it refuses to make those buttons optional. Duckduckgo let’s you have clean experience without rubbing AI buttons or AI summaries in your face and so does qwant.
Sadly Ecosia is not good for more niche topics or foreign languages. After a few months of use, I went back to Google with
&udm=14😕Edit: Though with Google now falsifying site titles I’ll have to look for an alternative… I wonder if they do the same towards the providers that rely on them, like DuckDuckGo?
DuckDuckGo uses a basket of search indexes excluding google - so even if one of them enshittifies they can reallocate that portion to another source.
I love Ecosia because I love trees and will keep using them until I can afford kagi or something.
But one thing that drives me through the wall… If I search something in my native language, because I want results that are in my native language, google/bing (which ecosia uses) decides to translate reddit posts for me and Ecosia slaps them to the top of the results. Its rather annoying.
Mandatory reminder: Ecosia plants zero trees unless you click on ads.
Hear hear.
Its the only website in my adblocker whitelist.
I have the same experience and it drives me nuts - if I wanted English results, I’d search in English!
Yes, but they probably know that none of us speaks English, so it wants to help us because we are idiots.
Wait, thinking about that…
Its such a weird thing to do. Especially when you click the translated link and it opens a page that is not translated. So if they think they are “helping” people who don’t know the language, how exactly does it help that they translate the title and half a sentence in the search results.
Startpage is google through a proxy server, and I noticed an article mislabeled the other day as such from there for a link I posted here.
… owned by an ad company.
All true, but it generally shows you search results in a reasonable order and including reliable sources. Like a fine-tuner for Google that doesn’t feed them your data. At least not that we know of…
Yeah but it has really gone downhill since 2021 especially, to the point of being virtually worthless. The only quick answers offered now on the search page are by design ai, all the results are machine written seo, restating the question in every possible way to hit results, then explaining why someone would want to know the answer to that question in exhaustive detail, then a short paragraph with the answer, that you have to wade through the drivel to find, when it used to put it on the search page results.
They don’t provide streaming links anymore, defective merchandise only returns links to the companies that make those products on forums they moderate (looking at you best buy everything you sell is now defective, never again,) and articles aren’t provided, even with exact information, date, name of article, name of publication, subject matter. They aren’t even trying and will give you completely unrelated information.
I wouldn’t be mad if I didn’t know it could work better. When it did initially work, I was surprised at how well it returned information. I know it can work better because it did work better.
We need free to the user search that is geared to work for us, not for advertisers and others that pay them, or the armies of often automated programs to write articles to his search engines despite being garbage information.
Lovely. Next you’re going to tell me Proton mail went evil. (Thanks for the explanation though! I’ll have a look at Kagi).
As a matter of fact I have just this morning talked about protonmail being corrupted by the administration. Tuta is where it’s at. Protonmail eats dick. 79-year-old fat (person’s) disgusting diaper dick.
Don’t forget Kagi! (though it isn’t technically comparable to the others since it’s a paid, but without ads one)
Techbro feudalists are all in on AI. They promised it would replace the human workforce and got initial investments and repeated support from money that should have been smarter then that, but the allure of firing all their workers proved too strong.
Now, they’re sitting on a trillion dollar house of cards. They’ll continue to fail upward. The correction will be delayed as they all move money between each other to cover bad investments.
At least Dutch tulips provided actual value. They could be planted and grow to be something real. LLM “AI” was always a scam.
repeated support from money that should have been smarter then that
Why would you think that? Look around, everything humanity does is absurd
Tulips have no value. I don’t care what anyone says.
You can care or not all day long but you’re still wrong.
Found the dutchman. I do envy you guys out there, free healthcare, good pay, a social safety net, and all the tulips you can eat!
Yeah I fuckin wish.
Me too, I could go for a couple dozen tulip bulbs right now I got the munchies.
“Hey, we got this new invention that kinda works if you don’t stress it too much, so we don’t really know what to do with it, but it’s hype so we must include it somewhere prominently. Ideas?”
Seems like the dumbest way of using something dumb. Like reinventing the wheel, only it’s “intelligent” now.
“But we already have headlines?”
Of course that does not address the economical/political conspiracies involved here.
AI is a scurge on humanity & our environment, and so is Google. Use other search engines.
Ok wait… Can I use AI to change clickbait headlines into actual summaries of articles, without hyperbole, or people getting “slammed”? I am sure googles goal is only to create more clickbait, but if there was a way to do the opposite, that would be the first good use of AI I’ve seen.
Yeah, friend of mine did that as a hobby project 8ish years ago. You can do that with just a small self-trained language model.
So, with AI as in the current RAM-sucking, earth-boiling monstrosities that are being pushed? No, it’s not a valid use case for that AI because it was already solved.
There was a story a few years back where a Danish guy made an extension to “Unbait” headlines on the particularly egregious news sites here. Of course they complained, i believe on grounds of copyright infringement, and I think they sued the guy.
If you use anything Google has touched, you’re an idiot.
Man how the hell are we supposed to degoogle so fast. I literally only became aware that they sucked like 2 years after them being cool for most of my life. Getting rid of gmail is going to be tough. There literally isn’t a service the equal of YouTube or Gmail.
tutamail.com. tuta.com. No phone required. No email required. No forced 2 factor authorization that is an excuse to grab your personal information to sell it. Never again on any of the tech email companies. Never again. I never agreed to give them my phone, they forced me to years after the fact when I needed to get in there suddenly.
getting rid of gmail was actually the easiest part for me.
Google drive and maps was the hardest.
And I had replaced maps pretty well until magicearth decided to implode
What happened to magicearth? I haven’t used it much, just one of the google alternatives in my “maps” folder.
at my work, one person decided to start an email group to connect everyone for after hours activities…
only 2 people out of 20 were non gmail accounts
Snowden was in 2013, bro.
Use a client for video content like Grayjay (gets rid of the ads too).
Look at Tuta Mail or Proton Mail as viable privacy focused alternatives.
I’ve found ProtonMail to be pretty nice. Easy to import your mail into too. YouTube has been hard though. PeerTube is cool but rather small (feel free to ask my any questions about it though). Ideally we’d be using stuff like Nebula and Patreon to support creators directly, but you can at the very least use a fronted to minimize contact with Google.
Proton mail is compromised I believe. In bed with the administration of the US.
What makes you think that?
For one thing the US sent them a list of accounts and they suspended them with no process or appeal just last year. For another Someone who isn’t me signed up for an account and had it immediately suspended for suspicious activity, after a sleuth it was found their IP was on some shady blacklist, despite them not using that IP for anything but social media scrolling and news.
Suspicion is Israel is behind it. Anyway, proton gives no way to appeal like the other one does. I think there was another incident of proton suspending accounts for the US too.
One of the unfortunate realities of operating a sensitive service like email is that you have to cooperate with valid government requests or risk getting fined, or worse, banned from the country. The good thing is that end to end encryption restricts the information they have to turnover about your messages, but this is vulnerability of pretty much any service. Your email provider will not go to jail for you.
I do find the IP blacklisting a little ironic considering they run a VPN, but that’s not much of a surprise either considering their freemium business model. I don’t see how either of these practices would link them to Israel, but it’s fair if you’re uncomfortable with them. I think you’d be hard pressed to find services that don’t also do these things, though. What do you use for email?
The IP blacklist is separate, there are a few dozen firms that compile blacklists, you can run your ip online to check quite easily. This suspicion is the US/Israel is putting persistent critics of Israel that have gotten traction, on these blacklists. If one was born yesterday in a cave that would seem paranoid, but to anyone paying attention it’s really not.
The fact of the matter is, the other privacy focused free email has appeals for these things, while proton just suspends your account based on the word of the most dishonest pieces of shit on the planet.
Grayjay’s kind of nice for that since it aggregates results from all platforms in a search - sometimes missing youtube videos (or stuff that got DMCA’d) can be found in peertube instead.
Email might actually be one of the easiest to move off of, thankfully!
There’s plenty of stuff out there, both free and paid. You can even use your own domain if you have an extra $15 or so a year. A lot of the paid options let you use your domain with them (and then if you ever need to change providers, you can keep your email address). And you can use both webmail and actual mail apps.
Youtube though… yeah, there aren’t really any good alternatives for that.
– Frost
They have been evil for over 20 years. What are you on about?
There are many email providers. Like… thousands. Personally, I use Zoho.
There are alternatives to Gmail. I’d probably list out such services as Yahoo/AOL (I personally use the AT&T branded version of this service) and Hotmail (now known as Outlook.com), but instead I’ll just tell you that you can enter a query like “free email provider” in your web search provider of choice and find several perfectly viable options.
