• MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world
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        I vaguely rember Catherine the Great*, but I dont remember anything about a horse.

        I am ready to learn though

        *

        Was she after Henry the 8th? The first Queen to rule without a king by her side?

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          What was that acronym he came up with, something about I don’t need a bucket cuz the horse is just the right height 🤯

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            Honestly, I try to avoid knowing any more about him than I can. I know a bunch of meta details, but didn’t dig that far into it.

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      For this one could it be horse back riding because people also used to have horse carts ? Unless in other countries it’s different lol

  • Stop Forgetting It@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    “Tuna fish” is a phase used primarily for canned tuna, but not for the live fish or things like tuna steak. It’s because when canned tuna was created in the US in the early 1900’s people who were not right next to the sea (like the majority of the US) did not know what “tuna” was. Firstly, the word is a of Spanish origin and secondly, its a salt water only fish. So in order to sell this to middle America, which was where most of the consumers were at the time but was also made up of people who have never seen the ocean, they added the word “fish” to show like other tinned fish that was commonly purchased: codfish, bluefish, and whitefish, this is also a fish and that is what you can expect when you open this can.

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    Colloquially tuna fish refers to the shredded salt brined tins of fish like this:

    Which I do think is worth distinguishing from the actual whole pieces of tuna

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      Which I do think is worth distinguishing from the actual whole pieces of tuna

      So a tuna can…? Canned Tuna? Canned Fish?

      “Tuna Fish” is still redundant and doesn’t actually address the can

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        Yes, language evolves haphazardly and often doesn’t make literal sense.

        Alright, that’s my 2 cents. I’ll catch you on the flipside.

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        I don’t disagree with you but I don’t control American English. I imagine both head cheese and sweetbreads would also upset you

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          I don’t control American English

          Maybe try harder. Be the change you want to see in the world. I don’t necessarily believe in you but I’m sure someone does! And in the end that’s all the motivation you need.

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          sweetbreads

          One of my favorite pair of words that don’t get used much anymore is sweetmeat and sweetbread, with the former being candy and the latter being animal pancreas.

          The etymology is that meat (from mete) just meant food, and bread (from bræd) meant flesh. Sweet used to mean a more generalized pleasant taste or sensation, rather than more specifically sugary.

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        Look, Americans are genetically dumb as we all know, but I don’t think Tuna Fish is necessarily a consequence of that affliction in particular. It’s like saying “Sail Fish”, “Sail” is not a fish, it is the canvas you put on boat masts, and “Tuna Fish” is like that I think. It’s a type of fish, of the tuna kind. That said, before I go just let me take another opportunity to state that Americans are genetically dumb as we all know.

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            Hahaha eugenics? Have you considered not skipping school and stop drinking lead paint? First of all it’s a fucking joke, second of all, there was no mention of eugenics, thirdly, how do you think intelligence works? Magic?

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              I know this is a bad troll but it’s also just sad that people actually are actually as retarded as you’re pretending to be

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      Why do they need to specify it’s in water? It’s a fish, of course it needs to be in water.

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    There’s no one single reason, but the top theories:

    1. Tuna oil was a thing before “tuna fish”. Yes, people could have said “tuna” but they didn’t. That’s language for you. People say “ATM machine” and “PIN number”, too.
    2. “Tuna fish” has a slightly sing-song pattern to the stressed/unstressed syllables that probably contributed
    3. For whatever reason, “tuna fish” tends to refer to canned tuna, whereas “tuna” can include fresh (or frozen) tuna.

    It’s… just how language evolves.

    I think, however, that “tuna fish” is slowly dying out in favour of just “tuna”. As a 50 year old, anecdotally I have seen the usage decrease in my lifetime.

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    Well, where I live, Tuna is also a cactus. Prickly pear is often called tuna. So yeah, tuna (fish) and tuna (fruit) can need disambiguation.

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    We have to specify so that Jessica Simpson doesn’t get confused with Chicken.

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      Chai may mean tea, but since it is different from the typical English tea ‘chai’ was modified to be an adjective for tea denoting the difference. Because that’s how language works.

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    Tuna is just the dish, tuna on a plate.

    Tuna Fish is actually Tuna Salad. You would order a tuna fish sandwich (tuna salad), but you would not go to a restaurant and say “I will have the tuna fish” because that is just tuna.

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      If I want the tuna salad, I’ll order tuna salad.

      Also if I’m walking up to a sandwich shop or a restaurant that serves tuna steaks on a grill or something of the sort and say “I’ll have the tuna” the assumption is, they know I what I mean (variance for multiple dishes not included).

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    As an American who was only ever said tuna or tuna sandwich, etc. I do think “Tuna fish” has an appealing flow (euphonious consonants without any blends) and the ish pairs well with ich in sandwich

    In my mind, tuna fish is the shredded stuff in a can and tuna is bigger pieces

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      No, nonono, now you are committing semantic sins that weren’t even implied in the original post! It’s either or, you can’t have different names for tuna solely depending on what type of package they come in, that makes even less sense!

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        To be fair, I’d never thought about it before this post! Just an observation of my mental association I guess!