The fediverse is very linux oriented I see again and again.
Sadly most Linux users are so deep into it that they don’t understand the pain of transition from something known to something that you have to invest significant time into to get running as you want it to.
And whenever people say this, several people post Linux versions that are supposedly super easy to set up and very similar to windows… Which shows that they are no longer able to see the relevant differences.
I find it annoying. Essentially as someone who has tried to switch to linux on my own terms(!) and that’s not possible without investing more time than a family dad with job is prepared to invest.
I mean just look at the posts in here. It like reading posts from religious people who would love to go from door to door to “spread the word.”
Linux users are the sort of people who will tell you that vinyl just produces superior sound quality. It’s a sort of cult really.
Linux systems are fine but they are hardly the pain free, “it just works” solution that the community likes to constantly claim that it is.
Linux user here, vynil sucks! Only those who swallow nostalgia like it :D
The thing is you are the mercy of “place big company name here” endless greed and whims , so it is no longer a “come to the cult” thing, they are pushing users away in a swallow or else fashion. The idea of Microsoft , Playstation, etc is squeeze you , get subscription from you and spoonfed all their crap to you wether you like it or not. All of it while trafficking with your personal data.
I was a windows 11 gamer, I know Linux some times may not be a walk in the park, specially if you have certain gpus, but all in all to me it is the most sane option to choose nowadays.
Linux PC
Not yet a good option for gaming.
Windows 11 sucks. Find a linux distro that you like and is easy to use.
Every single time anybody talks about Windows 11 someone, usually a lot of someone’s, always comes along and goes, just use Linux. We know Linux exists, it’s not a secret, you don’t have to mention it ad nauseam in every single post.
While I agree, that’s a lot to ask of a PC gamer, let alone a console gamer. Maybe if SteamOS starts supporting hardware better, that could be a good distro we could point console gamers towards.
Is there any word on how easy it is to get SteamOS working on non-steam devices. I would just buy the steam machine but apparently valve don’t want my money, they sent me an email to say that they have randomly put me so far down the list that they don’t actually have enough units, with no ETA on when they’re going to get more. So that’s out.
The latest build of SteamOS actually is working on this exact problem, btw. So yeah, we will.
I knew they were working on it, but cool that it might be soon!
Mint is mint
If they ever fix the kernel level anti-cheat issue this would be a good suggestion. Until then, Linux can’t play most of the most popular and most played games on consoles.
What “they” do you mean? Kernel level anti cheat is stupid
Afaik that’s a decision from the game developers, not from Linux developers, to enable kernel-level anti-cheat.
It doesn’t make any difference whose fault it is. If anti cheat doesn’t work on Linux which means that it’s a non-viable option for a lot of people. They’re not going to suddenly go “oh well in that case I don’t mind” just because you point out that it’s the game developers responsibility.
Now just pay for RAM and SSDs
Nothing wrong with steam os. Linux is the future. Fuck consoles, fuck Microslop.
Which will lead then straight to Linux because Linux is free, fast, and awesome and doesn’t spy in you or serve you ads while windows 11…
Fuck big tech
dont do it. dont do the windows. do the linux. be nicer to yourself. youll thank yourself later.
Just use Winhance. It not only removes all AI bullshit, it also makes your computer faster. Linux boxes are great if you wanna live exclusively in Steam. Some of us pirate games that aren’t on Steam.
You can’t have any pro windows stance here at all on lemmy bud. The fediverse is likely 99.7% Linux enthusiasts.
Unfortunately true. I’m agnostic to the OS. I’m 100% the use case and the feasibility and longevity.
Use whatever OS fits your needs. Not what Lemmy thinks you need. Because at the end of the day you’re the one stuck trying to vibe code a driver or a function that you need/want.
Case in point. I spent 1 full week trying to get the Ethernet to stop asking for a static IP even tho it’s been set to DHCP. It turned out the motherboard is too new and there is limited driver support. After compiling my own drivers, the entire system would panic without any logs. Even full verbose and custom watchers. Nothing.
Meetings with clients would frequently panic or my entire codebase would vanish after a crash.
I reinstalled windows and just worked. No fiddling. No compiling. No researching. Just worked.
All my other homelabs are on Linux. Just the main workhorse is Windows.
Yeah the Linux community are a bunch of unrealistic tech obsessed weirdos who don’t live in the real world where you actually have to have a computer that 100% works 100% of the time. The vast majority of the human population do not enjoy, or have the capacity to, fiddle around trying to get basic functionality working.
And if you mention the fact that because of the lack of kernel support you can’t get things like battlefield 5 working they say, who cares about battlefield it’s shit anyway, like that’s some sort of arguement, and it’s your fault for wanting to be able to play a popular video game.
I’m all in favour of the operating system but the community had just toxic.
I get that you’re trying to be helpful but all of winhance can be patched in the next release and who wants to worry about cat and mouse just to use slop instead of an actually consumer friendly os like Linux
Im a dev and have multiple homelabs using Linux. I’m not shy or not willing to use Linux. But the truth of the matter is if we don’t have support for newer hardware or some niche hardware. I could compile drivers myself, but that is a high entry barrier for 99.9% of people.
You want your system to just work and Windows does that(majority of the time). Hardware companies large and small support Windows. So you will likely have a fix faster or a driver on zero day instead of waiting for someone to help you build it.
so what you are saying is you didnt do any very basic newb research to discover yet that you can add non steam games to steam too.
and you havent heard of herioc …in which you can also add random games to
or lutris.
the advice you have for me isnt sound. or researched.
Faugus too, or even bottles. Many options available
You can add any pirate game on Linux with Lutris.
And for those people pirating non-steam games heroic launcher works just fine. Or lutris.
Just use Winhance
“Just drink arsenic with berries. The berries make it taste better. Don’t worry about the rest”
Windows 11 PCs… No… No don’t. That’s equally wrong.
Fck windows 11 and Micro$lop.
Hey! If you’re used to not being able to play some games, use Linux. It is much more efficient which you can use to avoid upgrades, more powerful cards, etc.
And what does it help to turn to microslop? They will just bury you in subscriptions and data steal?
It’s a Windows news site
I’m amazed there’s an audience for a windows site. Linux? Yeah, give me more. Mac, I guess. But windows? I haven’t heard any news that aren’t bad since forever.
Even the stocks are plumming
Lemmy is overwhelmingly anti Windows
I’m doing my part!
I just want things to work.
Then install bazzite.
That’s fine for gaming but it’s not an operating system for general purpose computing.
Yes. Exactly! That’s why we’re so die hard into Linux, here.
That doesn’t explain arch users
People… Windows and Xbox is not an improvement (it can be even worse). Build a Linux Gaming PC, that’s true freedom.
The main appeal of consoles is that you can essentially just plug and play without having to worry too much about extra configuration. As much as I like Linux, it’s generally not a good alternative for console folks who just want to relax and play video games.
windows isnt exactly plug and play either
I do hope people realise that 7th gen and earlier consoles are still fucking awesome. Yes, that’s PS3/Xbox360/Wii/GBA/DS era.
Some of those still have lively homebrew scenes. Hell, the Wii just got a new (physical) release game.
Reject modernity. Embrace retro.
I have a 360 with an rgh mod and a 2tb HDD in it… It’s fucking amazing! I have it running running Aurora and I’ve got literally every single game on 360 worth giving a shit about.
I also have an old PS3 running HEN (soft mod - works on every revision and every firmware) on it, that I keep around exclusively for PlayStation exclusives
7th Gen is God tier!
Right? I still have my OG Xbox 360, Wii U etc, with physical discs.
For a while, I went the other way; I bought a Lenovo M93p (think: size of Wii) - it runs everything up to PS2 era at 2x resolution, as well as PC games to around 2015/6 era (and later indies). Total cost was under $100. I turned it into a kiosk with Playnite, so you could turn it on and be playing whatever in under 10 seconds.
Right now I have the OG Wii (modded) sitting in its place…something about the joys of original hardware speaks to me. But I could (should) swap the lenovo back in. That way I have Just Cause 2 sitting right next to Mario Kart Double Dash, right next to Luanti and modded Fallout 3.
Part of me thinks “eh, emulation” but the other part is “dude…not everything is Nintendo”.
A lot of Linux works out of the box now. If folks started selling preconfigured Linux machines like you can buy for windows, that’s all most people need. Valve is following a good strategy
yes i mean its so close now. there are preconfigured linux installs. nobara for example.
Yeah, I have a steam deck and I’ve used the desktop a few times, just to check stuff out, but I very easily could have overlooked it completely. It’s perfectly possible for a linux computer to be as easy to use as a console.
It can be on a steamdeck.
But building your own Steam-PC (with their distro) still is not plug and play like a console is.As much as I like Linux, it’s generally not a good alternative for console folks who just want to relax and play video games.
That’s why I buy Valve hardware.
I’ll admit, I don’t play games with intrusive anti-sheet, but frankly, I don’t remember the last time I had to configure a game on Linux because they mostly run out of the box for me
It’s on a case-by-case basis of course so it wouldn’t be the same for everyone. But generally speaking, Linux isn’t user-friendly (though I’m not saying it isn’t at all) in the sense that everything is guaranteed to be compatible with it and work immediately, whether it be certain peripherals that require extra setup to work correctly or software that was never specifically made to work on Linux. I know that from experience, having had some head-scratcher moments when trying to run an obscure/older game or trying to get certain hardware to run on my Linux machine without it having had compatible firmware out of the box. And I wouldn’t even say that I’m all that unknowledgeable with this sort of thing.
I’m not trying to disparage Linux or anything, but it’s definitely not so black-and-white as it easily working well for everyone all the time. It’s never really accommodated for that unfortunately, especially since there’s no one universal Linux distro with all those sore points snuffed out. Until that’s the case I don’t think it would typically appeal to the average person who only games on the side.
But generally speaking, Linux isn’t user-friendly (though I’m not saying it isn’t at all) in the sense that everything is guaranteed to be compatible with it and work immediately, whether it be certain peripherals that require extra setup to work correctly or software that was never specifically made to work on Linux.
On the hardware side, you’re really just describing custom PC builds. Pre-built Linux gaming machines exist and do solve the hardware issues.
On the software side, outside of the big asshole publishers, it’s a solved problem. Five years ago I shopped super carefully for SteamDeck compatibility. Today, OS compatibility is rarely even a consideration for me. Games just work on the SteamDeck. SteamOS has replaced Windows as the gaming default OS.
Indie devs now use game development frameworks that work perfectly on Linux, in order to get SteamDeck verified.
Even most of my “Windows Only” games just pull the correct emulators and run perfectly, automatically, when launched from Steam.
Gaming on Linux is a very different world, today.
what youre saying is important and true in certain cases, yes. In mine it took me 2 months to adapt my brain and tweak linux to the point it is now working like a well oiled machine.
however my needs were very explicit being that i was building a simulation machine (not AI) i even had it planned down to hardware spec regarding cores, chips and ram for a very specific task outside average gamer use.
your average user might just need a basic game box (they could even just reuse a crap box and itll run. thats the beauty of linux. ) and throw some mint on it which does work pretty much out of the box and with steam you might need some light configuring.
EG: just editing the launch command in general tab when you right click the game:
SteamDeck=1 %command%
or install gamemode and then: gamemoderun %command%
for some games especially old ones you might need to just swap around which proton you use(in compatability menu)
most games dont need any of this as the proton GE updates to iron out all the compatibilty.
This is what the Gabe Cube and Steam Deck are for. Price rises have been unfortunate and normies aren’t going to consider those anymore. I guess the Nintendo Switch 2 with some game cartridges might be their next choice…although this is obviously a huge mistake if the point was to find a company with consumer friendly practices.
PC is PC.
For the first step it doesnt matter what OS you run.
Your issue is the second step.True. But anyone installing on a bare metal build should seriously consider installing Linux, today. The set of games that actually run simpler on Windows is getting thinner every year.
There’s mostly fear driving the decision, and most people fear Linux more than they need to, and don’t fear Microsoft’s apathy toward their custom PC build outcomes as much as they should.
With all the license unlock bullshit, my last bare metal Windows install was a bigger pain in the ass than any of my recent bare metal Linux installs.
It’s still a mess. Only ready for technical users. Not even in the same ballpark for Xbox.
It’s still a mess. Only ready for technical users. Not even in the same ballpark for Xbox.
Tell me don’t have a SteamDeck without telling me you don’t have a SteamDeck.
Unless you just mean building a PC, in general. Sure. Building a gaming PC isn’t for everyone.
Steamdeck has numerous issues as the best case and is embedded AMD. Flakey Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, dealing with decky breaking every few weeks. Inconsistent resolution scaling issues on desktop mode.
I mean, I’ll agree 100% that docking a SteamDeck has been hit and miss, depending on the game. I have about the same annoyances docking a SteamDeck as docking a laptop. I’m not angry at Valve or Windows about that, but I am very impressed with Nintendo.
I haven’t had more wifi issues with SteamDeck than with my Switch or Switch Lite, or with a typical laptop.
I don’t use SteamDeck desktop mode, except to install my free copy of Luanti, so I cannot comment.
Now, when we dive into specific games - mutiplayer code varies wildly between games on PC, and SteamDeck is still much closer to a PC expeirence, in that regard. If that’s your point, I’m with you 100%.
A “Steam Remote Play Verified” badge would go a long way!
Edit: Decky is a mod right? I haven’t had anything on my SteamDeck break every few weeks.
Oh! We did have a long running bug where various network stuff never worked quite right after waking from hybernation, which I fixed by rebooting after any time I let the deck sit for awhile.
That was patched pretty recently. It never bothered me much (once I understood the solution was a reboot) because the boot time is like 20 seconds.
I admit, I am pretty technical, but guessing that it might need a reboot after hybernation is something I think I learned from gaming on a Windows laptop.
Still, to your point, a better experience for folks coming from PC gaming than coming directly from console gaming.
Yeah, Decky is a third party plugin loader that you can install on SteamOS. I’ve been using it for 3 or 4 years now. As long as you’re not dumb enough to update the OS before a Decky update is available, there really aren’t any issues with Decky breaking anything.
Just get a Linux distro and throw some PC parts together and you’ll be better off with that then W11 or shitbox.
DDR3 should still be fairly ok for a starter PC.
Plenty of good old games run very well on Linux and older hardware.
My gaming machine is still using DDR3. Never really saw a reason to upgrade, games mostly became more demanding in the graphics-sector, even the first-gen i5 is doing reasonably well with most games, even newer ones. And if not, I blame badly optimized games.
RAM speed usually is the last thing you have to worry about in games.
From what im seeing people are looking at steam/linux as an alternative not windows. With the RAM shortage, windows is probably the worst solution out of the available options.
Either way it sucks to get rid of the only way to get used games anymore. Im hoping this kicks back more and we see more partnerships with companies like limited run games and others who do physical releases. https://megacatstudios.com/products/zpf for example.
This is what i am hoping. Windows is still MS and their anti gaming bull.
My question becomes what would limited run games create the games to play on in the future? PS6 will likely not have a physical game option if I had to guess. Nintendo Switch 2 just came out, so that may be the last console to support physical games. I guess we’d be stuck using old machines. Given how powerful current systems are, that may be enough for indie studios.
I guess we’d be stuck using old machines. Given how powerful current systems are, that may be enough for indie studios.
The Evercade is proactively selling cartridge first game systems and games.
The available hardware is more retro focused, in power level, but everything in the line runs on every available device (outside of some license bullshit by Capcom and Namco, which I think they cleared up).
I can’t see these gaining more popularity over Steam, PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo if they are only sticking to do retro. From my understanding, most indie companies want maximum reach for their games, especially for the amount of time and money they put into things.
I can’t see these gaining more popularity over Steam, PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo if they are only sticking to do retro.
Right. I don’t think they are particularly trying for those markets - although Sony dropping physical media of any kind is probably doing Evercade a favor anyway.
I carry my Hyper Mega Tech Pocket more often than my SteamDeck or Switch Lite, because it is so much smaller.
From my understanding, most indie companies want maximum reach for their games, especially for the amount of time and money they put into things.
Yes. Evercade’s gimick is multiple games per cart, rather than exclusives.
Some of my Indie game collection I got cheaper by buying it on Evercade. Some idie devs I have only discovered because they included a game on Evercade.
A few I have bought again on my SteamDeck, to add it to my family library.
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