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No, there really is a flat world in the shape of a disc, on 4 elephants on the back of the great A’Tuin
It is just in a distant and secondhand set of dimensions. You wouldn’t know them.
The earty is round but hollow, holes at the north and south pole, leading to agartha, where the black stone sit at the center.
Flat earth is one of those things that’s so ignorant that I don’t even get mad at them. I just feel sad for them.
The only issue I have with flat earthers is the arrogance. The rest is ignorance that we can deal with if they allow us.
That used to be broadly my view, until I watched Dan Olson’s In Search of A Flat Earth, in which he explores the worldview in which this “opinion” persists and why.
And he also learnt how to hold his phone horizontally. Truly a journey of self-discovery.
Hiis shift in perspective was multi-layered
Truly the better improvement of the two. Death to vertical filming!
Horizontal band member here. If I have to take a photo of a wardrobe, my whole self, a jumping giraffe or the Empire States Building, you can be sure as heck I’ll hold the phone vertically. The only reason for me to take a horizontal photo of my fridge is when it fell on my foot.
Same thing goes vice versa: vertically filming a scenery, a dish, my mom’s panties or a seesaw is plain dumb, unless there’s something else that justifies the awful framing.
BUT when you make a video for the purpose of uploading it to sites like YouTube… You can’t convince me vertical would make more sense. I understand that it’s the same problem if it’s a vertically aligned app (I could go on a 3 day rant about Instagram not allowing horizontal - or any - full screen on desktop), but decent portals do it properly. If you have a phone and you want to watch vertical stuff, problem solved. If you have a phone and want to watch horizontal stuff, just rotate your damn screen, it’s a no-brainer. But when you have a monitor, you can’t (always) just turn it 90 degrees and watch vertical stuff full screen.
Because of lazy uploaders AND lazy management/devs, there are countless of cases where a full screen video has actual content on less than 10% of the screen, because a horizontal video was uploaded to a vertical site, then you open it on a horizontal monitor and it plays like
+--------+ | | |---[]---| | | +--------+Hey, that wasn’t the wind. I saw that, leave yo mamas undies alone
So I guess it’s either hold your phone flat or the earth is flat, but not both. The orientation change when he changed.
woah. i never see this. like as a former cultist, your typical response is “not my circus, not my monkeys” (even if it is your circus and your monkeys. I wish i never started that whale cult)
Whale cult? Sounds like story time 🍿
There’s this big whale statue in Utah and I started a joke religion about it. Only some folk took it seriously. Like I wasn’t even in Utah
Edit this whale
It was a running joke for the weekend on an alumni website and then I didn’t hear anything about until I read this article
wait the meme works in reverse?
🤡🔫🧑🚀
🧑🚀🔫🤡🌍
In my experience the highly religious hold on to flat earth the most. Just another reason religion is cancer
First video: I saw the light, don’t be fooled by the lies they tell you.
Latest video: I saw the light, don’t be fooled by the lies they tell you
Whatever generates more profit is what they believe.
Don’t quote me on this, but I think this guy was one of the people who went to the Arctic to see a 24 hour sunny day and actually accepted the evidence
The conspiracy theorist YouTube space is oversaturated and it’s difficult to generate new content when you don’t really have anything new to bring to the table.
wait. i just thought of something new i could bring to the table. but i need funding.
I call it “Bigfoot’s Cross-continent RV Vacation”
If you generate more profit by aligning with reality, I’ll say go for it
I am entirely convinced the flat earth movement consists of 90% pranksters who are doing it for shits and giggles and 10% bona fide contrarian retards who falsely believe they’re in good company.
Maybe? The Netflix doc mad a pretty convincing argument that they are sad, undereducated, and unaccomplished losers who are desperate to feel superior to something and to have something approximating real friends.
I think it started as stupid shit and people with the most desperate need latched on because they had nothing else in there entire lives.
Wait until you meet some
i think you have the percentages wrong but the groups right. more like 1:3 pranksters:dipshits
also, would you mind using a different word than retard? i don’t particularly like being grouped with flat earthers.
I work with a guy who is convinced the earth is flat and space is fake and all the governments know it and that’s why planes aren’t allowed to ever fly over Antarctica or something.
But even that guy jumped off the trump train.
I worked with someone who seriously claimed that covid was produced by 5G towers, and also was a con by the government so they could inject nanobots into our blood via vaccines. He was never able to see the contradiction.
He also relieved that if you speed in a rental car for some reason the police cannot pull you over. Boy was he wrong.
But even that guy jumped off the trump train.
top kek
I lol’d. We all have a coworker like that. Hell, he’s my supervisor.
I think it’s more like 10% grifters, 90% dupes.
What’s the grift angle? People make money believing that shit?
There’s a small industry of flat earth influencers.
What the hell is there to make money off of though? In today’s Flat Earth news: It’s not confirmation bias, Earth is still flat and nobody will believe you if you try to tell them and you’ll get kicked out of orgies for revealing the truth.
Do actual real people really compulsively watch this like their favorite live streamer or HOW does this shit even exist? IS there an anti insanity monetized counter channel war to this? Oh wait, that’s what OPs image is setting up for…anti-flat Earth grift
Flat earth isn’t the scam itself, it’s the hook. There are a million ways to get people into the conspiracy theory sphere, but once they’re hooked on one thing, they’re primed to believe everything else. It took less than a year from my mom to go from watching videos “asking questions” about science to spending a bunch of money on everything from silver supplements and ivermectin to 5g blockers and resonance machines.
The point of flat earth and related conspiracies is that they prey on people’s misunderstanding of science and mathematics (why Earth round if look flat?) to sow doubt in the collective understanding of reality as a whole. Once that happens, you can tell them anything isn’t what it seems and they’ll believe you, and sell them anything to fix it, and they’ll pay you.
merch? patreon? idk dude i haven’t figured out how to monetize the internet besides selling CDs (and only family and friends buy those anyways, so it wasn’t worth the hosting fee)
Basically, yes. Merchandise and subscriptions.
and you’ll get kicked out of orgies for revealing the truth.
I’d say you could host your own flat orgies, but I wouldn’t want to attend. I like the round bits on the ladies too much to enjoy that scene.
Maybe started by pranksters then grifters realizes that can sell fake books and fake stuff like some fake tool that pretends to prove some false assumption
so you start with that fuzzy equality where you end up at 1=0 due to bad math. then you just start multiplying if by shit and it looks legitimate!
This is the problem with gossip or idle chatter. Things you think are jokes or just weird culture is actually seeding by psyops or con men.
look all i’m saying is that horses don’t look like horses on film that’s why we need to borrow and paint your dog.
I also like that his views increased as he became more aware of the bs he fell for.
I’m a flat spacer, I think spacetime is flat, continuous, and homogeneous therefore ensuring any finite arrangement of energy is occurring infinite times in any direction you can point. Is there an atom for atom replica of the earth, it’s entire history, and me? Yup, infinitely many in any direction one can point, along with all other finite arrangements of energy.
i want to argue this point but i’m not a spaceologist. how is its scedasticity? i only like homoscedastics. heteroscedastics can see themselves out.
Whoa there, easy with the heteroscedastophobia, buddy.
Everything is flat! The third dimension is all in your imagination. You are being manipulated by Big Dimension! Do your research!
I don’t think that makes sense mathematically speaking. To turn the state of a group of atoms into numbers that can be represented by a random experiment, one would need to use continuous (i.e. non-quantized) variables. A continuous variable can take an uncountably infinite number of values, so it can’t be modeled by a countably infinite arrangement like the one you’ve described. It’s kind of like how you can choose real numbers at random for all eternity and never get the number 7.
Reality isn’t continuous, at least as far as we are aware. Past the plank scale at least our models don’t work. Infinite information to encode everything seems like it would all just collapse into a black hole immediately so having some limit somewhere makes sense at least in that way.
Reality isn’t continuous according to quantum mechanics (at least with boundary conditions; for example the energy of a free particle/wave is continuous), but it is according to relativity (for example there’s nothing quantized about redshifting due to gravity or the expansion of the universe). Also what happens at a Planck scale is that quantum mechanics stop being able to model reality, but it doesn’t predict a quantum of distance or anything like that. There’s nothing preventing a particle from moving one meter+one Planck length. Really what happens at these scales is anyone’s guess, but whatever model succeeds the ones we use today will likely have to accommodate some continuity in order to model relativistic effects.
Congratulations, you’re immortal, and with parallel copies.
i think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of our current knowledge of space and the matter within it bud
He isn’t wrong. With the assumption of homogenous infinite universe, basically everything is guaranteed to happen somewhere.
Edit: For your pefect copy alone you don’t even need an infinite universe. Just one big enough for that to randomly happen.
Current astrophysical data shows that the large-scale spatial geometry of our universe is flat, meaning parallel lines remain parallel and triangles add up to 180°. However, flatness does not strictly prove the universe is infinite; a flat, simply connected universe is mathematically infinite, but a flat, multiply connected universe (like a cylinder or a hyper-torus) could be finite.Observations of the Cosmic Microwave Background have measured this geometry with incredible precision, though slight margins for error still allow for the possibility that the universe curves on scales far larger than what we can observe.Whether the universe is finite or infinite remains an unresolved question in physics, though scientists generally use an infinite, flat model for standard cosmological calculations because it is mathematically simpler.
this doesn’t have anything to do with your previous claim that there is an an atom to atom copy of earth elsewhere in the universe though. could the universe be infinite? maybe. We can only see part of it and we can’t measure the total energy of the big bang to determine an answer at this time.
Nothing? I’m not sure that’s true. If the universe is infinite and homogeneous then that would infer all finite permutations of energy occur, not once but infinitely many times. As for actually proving the universe is infinite? It’s not possible. We can only infer with measurements and physics which make accurate predictions we can measure. I mean not unless there’s like some cool way to traverse truly unheard of distances. Like if you could move 10^100 light years in a direction and it’s still the same even that wouldn’t prove it’s infinite but would really lend itself to the idea that it is.
If the universe is infinite and homogeneous then that would infer all finite permutations of energy occur, not once but infinitely many times.
That’s a big if.
Something can be infinite without having any 1:1 repetition of all or any finite parts. Depends on how homogenous it really is and at what scale. If there are infinite permutations within a finite area, then it won’t necessarily repeat ever. There’s currently no proof of whether the universe is discreet or continuous.
True, it’s a lot of assumptions either way one chooses. I just like the idea that everything that can be, is.
That’s not inherently true, infinity can be bound
There are an infinite amount of numbers between 2 and 3 but none of them are 5
Reality as far as we know has a limited resolution aka the plank scale. It kinda makes sense. If an object like an atom required infinite information to encode it would collapse into a black hole.
Is this like a higher abstraction level version of looking at a mirror pointed at another mirror type situation?, or help me visualize your idea better
On further thought, it sounds like a hologram theory to me, am i right?
If I’m understanding them right, it’s more like this: Imagine flipping a coin and recording the result an infinite number of times. Then your record will include any finite sequence of flips, because any event with a nonzero probability no matter how unlikely will happen if given infinite opportunities. For example you’ll get a sequence where Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet is written in binary with heads as 1 and tails as 0 and vice versa. By an easy corollary of this, any finite sequence of flips will be repeated an infinite number of times. What this person is saying is that they believe the universe is like this; if you decide the location and energy of every electon, neutron and proton in a section of the universe with the same mass as the solar system there’s a nonzero chance it’ll contain an exact replica of the Earth and everything on it, hence in an infinite homogeneous universe there will be an infinite number of such replicas. Now I don’t think this makes sense, because the chance of getting such a replica probably is zero (in the same way that the probability of choosing a random real number and getting 7 is zero), but this is the logic I think.
Yup essentially. Although as far as physics is accurate and our measurements are accurate currently it seems to be the case that spacetime is actually flat and homogeneous aka it goes on and on in all directions and is equally full of shit. No way to prove that though, just infer from what we can measure using laws that accurately predict other shit we can measure.
Nope just one really big (infinitely large) universe. Eventually it starts looping. Like a small example, if I have 5 cups and 10 balls and I put all the balls into a cup eventually I get more than one ball in a cup because there’s more balls than cups. For any finite volume there’s a finite number of ways to arrange energy so with an infinite universe with infinite stuff it just starts looping eventually just like the balls in the cups situation.
In short you’re overthinking it. With Infinite space dust, you start making the same shit totally by accident eventually.
Applauded for pulling his head out of his ass. Good news America - we’ve failed.
Better than keeping his head up his ass. Conspiracy groups can often also be part of community and identity. Changing your mind, therefore, might mean losing a social circle and possibly status that you thought to have. He probably though that he was smarter than 90% of the population, and now he feels like an idiot.
In that scenario, this is the best outcome and it should be applauded. If we don’t reward people for escaping and admitting their wrong, then they could easily get trapped. Why change your mind when it means that nobody likes you anymore and everyone thinks you’re an idiot?
The cynical part of me thinks that he’s just trying to make bank as a reformed flat earther, he changed his entire world view in a period of a month. There’s probably more money to be made there. Much easier to get sponsorship deals if you don’t come off as a crazy person.
yeah, like going “bigfoot hunting” with your buddies and camcorder. Tell me you don’t believe in Bigfoot when I’ve got the suit halfway on and you don’t get to come on the next road trip.
Anyone that can learn from their mistakes and take in new information that was against their initial beliefs is worthy of praise.
What happened 6 months ago to show this man the light?
I’m pretty sure that’s one of the guy in the Netflix documentary about flat earther. Over the course of the documentary he design with one of his friend an experiment … and the documentary end with him looking at the results and questioning his beliefs
It’s a shit documentary but there’s some insight (not because the director is brilliant, because he don’t know what he’s recording) into the conspiracionists psych
Anyway that meme is old, pre covid
If you’re talking about Behind the Curve, that was a brilliant documentary.
Agree to disagree. The only thing it does was to preach to the already convinced.
I think it was not meant to convince anybody out of being flat-earther. It makes a fool out of them, but also it shows that there are humans behind the movement and their motivation (they went down the wrong path and got indoctrinated by the wrong people, and are now isolated by everybody else). I started the documentary thinking thar they are all stupid, and ended it feeling a bit sad about them and understanding a bit why would anybody continue to be part of a group spreating such an obvious lie. They really need some friends outside that group, support and some good education… the flat earthers and many conspiracy theory groups would have already died out, if society did not treat these people as a lost cause. It also explains indirectly why even some very intelligent people do fall for other conspiracy theories (like qanon).
I think it has changed how I would talk to a conspiracy theorist in real life, and I think it’s great that it managed to do that.
You cannot reason anyone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
I was hoping to enjoy it but those fuckers were so fucking sad. No lives or friends. No measurable accomplishments.
Spent fucking several grand on a silly Lazer experiment.
I never saw this STST guy in Behind the Curve. I saw Mark Sargent, but not this STST guy. https://www.youtube.com/@STST
I could be mistaken
So you know, this first surfaced years ago
He got laid.
I imagine at the exact moment of climax, he was transferred through the cosmos for what felt like an eternity, seeing all its wonders, Gorillaz Empire Ants coming from everywhere at full volume.
From the lucky partner’s perspective it was all over in twenty seconds and he was sobbing uncontrollably for fifteen minutes after.
I wanna know too
I think Mark Sargent has quietly figured it out, but he makes a living being the “flat earth guy”, and doesn’t know what else to do with his life.
What really surprised me about Behind the Curve was how smart a lot of those guys were.
The smarter someone is, the better they’re able to rationalize what they believe. Admitting one is wrong isn’t usually a matter of intelligence, it’s a matter of pride (or money).
This guy is STST, not Mark Sargent.
But this guy also has not quietly figured it out. It seems that was a very public process.
