• the_armchair_potato@lemmy.world
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    Not so Iran can make more money…it’s for Russia to make more money, duh. Almost everything he does benefits Russia. It’s so blatantly obvious, too. Russia has some real good shit on this clown.

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        He starred in a movie about Poptarts. He is indeed having terrible things happen to him, rest assured.

        Also whenever I hear the man speak, I get the sensation I’m listening to a very unintelligent person that nobody has ever called out.

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          You don’t appreciate his 90s cutting edge observational humor about airline travel and unusual foods and whatnot and suchlike?

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            His standup was always shit tier, but admittedly I enjoyed his sitcom for one reason: Jason Alexander.

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              Same as all of us. Basically Larry David but somehow better than the actual man.

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    People keep ignoring the fact that Obama struck a deal with Iran that stopped their nuclear weapons program.

    Trump killed american troops to get a deal that’s worse than the one we already had.

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      that shit is making me crazy… why do I, random European dude, remember trump breaking the Iran deal all those years ago, and no fucking journalist today dares to put a wee little reminder at the beginning of every article just to get all up to speed? wtf man

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        Because western mainstream media has been captured by the same interests who are betting on oil futures right before Donnie Dipshit tweets about it

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        Prolly the same reason mainstream media “forgot” to mention Operation Cyclone back in late 2001 and early 2002, or how they intentionally swallowed the screamingly obvious bullshit of “Iraq has WMDs”

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      ah but you seem to ignore that obama was a secret kenyan. he was all sneaky about it, being born in hawaii the way he was.

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      The JCPOA (Obama‘s deal) wasn’t perfect and didn’t stop a nuclear weapon or nuclear enrichment for Iran. At best it delayed it for a decade. It also didn’t do anything about Iran ballistic missile program.

      In fact the same year the JCPOA was signed, Iran built a big public clock counting down to Israel‘s destruction in Palestine square. It would reach zero the year the JCPOA ended. So much for their peaceful intentions.

      The JCPOA only kicked the can down the road with the hope of a more sane government in Iran later on.

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        Sounds like right-wing misinformation to me.

        Just as a casual fact check, the JCPOA was signed into law in 2015 and the clock in Palestine square appeared in 2017

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        So what has improved about the situation since Trump threw out the JCPOA?

        “Not perfect” doesn’t mean it wasn’t batter then the current situation.

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          The JCPOA wasn’t great and mostly kicked the can down the road. Trump made the situation worse because he made diplomatic efforts much more difficult.

          The core issue is Iran‘s fundamentalist regime and their destructive desires and actions. That’s not Trump‘s fault. It’s an extremely difficult issue, that would have led to war sooner or later, without Iran changing their policies.

          tl;dr Trump bad. Iran worse.

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            So it would be accurate to say: despite JCPOA not being perfect, Trump’s actions have only made the situation worse than if he had left the previously existing agreement in place.

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        Iran built a big public clock counting down to Israel‘s destruction in Palestine square

        And Donald Trump swore up and down that Mexico would pay for the Wall.

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          Well the Iranian regime calls for the death and destruction of Israel daily and has for decades. They also have actively armed Hezbollah and others, as well as launched ballistic missiles at their cities.

          This is some silly rhetoric. It’s core to their Islamist ideology. They mean it.

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            Well the Iranian regime calls for the death and destruction of Israel daily and has for decades.

            The GOP has said that lower taxes for the rich will solve all of americia’s problems.

            People in power will say anything to keep going.

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              You’re saying that as if Iran‘s elections are worth anything. The regime is very unpopular among the population. Many even applauded and celebrated the Israeli and American air strikes.

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                So, we end up back at your original point.

                Obama’s plan was a huge step forward and could haven lead to real progress.

                Too bad Donnie had a bad day and blew it all up.

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    probably seinfeld is a bad example of being used, hes a zionist, his wife has funded prozionist groups, and he loves the war thats going on.

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    Oh, don’t forget that now the oil that actually gets through is being traded in yuan and RMB instead of USD, so now the petrodollar is starting to slip away, which is the only reason the dollar can keep it’s strength because it leverages every other countries energy budget to contribute to US GDP.

    This was true weapons-grade stupidity for that stable genius.

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    They aren’t charging $2mill. They are charging ¥2mil or crypto equivalent. They are intentionally demolishing the Petrodollar.

    More power to them.

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      They are intention demolishing the Petrodollar.

      I think Climate Change and explosion of alternative energy sources is doing that.

      They’re just trying to evade Western financial restrictions. Dollars aren’t useful to a country that’s cut out of the LIBOR and SWIFT banking systems.

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        It’s not just about how useful the dollar is to Iran, it’s about making it less useful to other countries also.

        If Iranian oil is back on the market there will be a lot of interested buyers. If it’s only sold in yuan or crypto.

        The petrodollar wasn’t going to last forever youre right but there are many parties interested in ending it sooner than later.

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          It’s not just about how useful the dollar is to Iran, it’s about making it less useful to other countries also.

          For Iran, specifically, there’s no incentive to accept reparations payments in a currency they can’t easily collect or exchange. Yuan makes sense, because China is one of their biggest trading partners. Bitcoins make sense because they’re easy to launder and can be transferred independent of the NATO-based financial systems.

          If Iranian oil is back on the market there will be a lot of interested buyers.

          It’s more Qatari and Kuwaiti oil at issue. Iranians are just rent-seeking off the most expedient shipping lane.

          The petrodollar wasn’t going to last forever youre right but there are many parties interested in ending it sooner than later.

          The petrodollar is arbitrage between Middle Eastern raw materials and the western banking system. It could move to the PetroEuro without a meaningful change in foreign policies. Or the PetroLoonie or PetroPound for that matter. All of these countries are in agreement that the Persian Gulf states need to play a secondary role in the global economy.

          What Iranians are hoping to change isn’t the primary currency of the region, but the balance of power between US/EU colonizers and local people.

          The very act of securing the Straight and collecting rent on passage is a huge step in that direction, regardless of what currency they collect their fees in. It’s a material change, not just an accounting shift.

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    It’s not so Iran can make more money, it’s for Russia. Also it helped distract us from the fact that indicted bibi is continuing with a 2nd genocide for his Greater Israel sideproject.

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        china still gets an oil squeeze, where russia doesnt. They are also allies so its not that bad for either of them. But certainly it isn’t any type of ‘victory’ for the USA. They’re pretty much losing on all fronts.

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          China would have gotten an oil squeeze IF they hadn’t worked out a deal with Iran to let Chinese oil tankers pass through the strait.

          I believe you’re getting cause and effect mixed up here.

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        Actually yes, because this allows him to regroup, move slow moving carrier groups into position and secure oil supplies/put measures in place to keep at least Red Sea/Suez open when he continues it. Possibly also see who at CENTCOM has been reluctant to carry out war crimes, and do some more replacements there.

        I can’t believe how people are falling for it, every time he pumps and dumps. This isn’t going to stop. It will only get worse. One guy is a blackmailed pedophile with demential and the biggest nuclear arsenal, the other is a criminal delusional religious radical who would rather die, than give up this Greater Israel crusade.

        I’ll be another few years before we get to Christmas.

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          The problem for Trump is that he couldn’t continue escalating the war without causing a global recession. As much as his wealthy backers want to destroy Iran, they can’t stomach such a crisis. It would seriously hurt the US ability to project power and would fast track American decline. I agree that he’s crazy and stupid enough to still do it. However, he probably one of the dumbest people in the White House. Even his cabinet of sycophants has to know when to push back. If he went forward with his attacks on Iranian energy infrastructure it would have ruined them as well.

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      Don’t forget, this was also a distraction for the Epstein files release and the fact that he raped children.

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      it’s for Russia

      Americans shitting the bed in the Middle East every day for fifty years

      “Yeah, uh, actually that was Russia. Russia did that.”

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      To be clear this is copy and pasted but it is critical information about the motivations behind our aggression towards Iran that doesn’t depend on the dubious claim that Russia secretly controls the largest economic and military power of the last century.

      To be entirely clear, a large contingent of the US ruling class has been frothing at the mouth to invade Iran for decades. It should not be surprising that it happened and we should not blame our governments aggression on foreigners. That rhetoric is a useful tool to reduce the fury you should rightfully feel towards our rulers.


      I favor the theory that it was now or never.

      They’ve overused sanctions and have kickstarted dedollarization. For the same reason they kidnapped Maduro, they only had few years before it reached an irreversible tipping point. They had to capture Iran’s oil and monopolize it to keep the petrodollar alive.

      And.

      Iran was becoming a harder and harder target to attack militarily, and it had just defeated their attempt at color revolution by demonstrating it could defeat their Starlink operation on the ground. The longer they waited, the more rockets and missiles Iran would have to retaliate against US assets. The post-color revolutionary period was actually the weakest Iran would ever be ever again.

      And.

      China is a rising juggernaut, and Iran plays a role in that rise. They’ve signed on to join the Belt and Road initiative, China was key to restoring relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia, Iran is a key oil supplier for China, Iran is a member of BRICS, and China has also been investing heavily in Iran’s infrastructure. It wouldn’t be long before the sanctions didn’t even matter anymore because Iran will be able to sell and buy everything it needs without the West.

      And.

      Israel is no longer a viable settler project. The promise of Israel was that it would be a walled garden in the wilderness, an imperial core lifestyle with superior fire power and a perfect missile defense system and an omniscient surveillance system. Hamas blew that myth up during the Al Aqsa flood, now Israel isn’t getting new settlers anymore and many settlers are trying to leave. It’s why they’ve had to ban Israelis from flying out of the country. If the Axis of Resistance isn’t destroyed, Israel is finished.

      And I’m sure there’s more. Basically, if Iran doesn’t fall within the next few months, the US empire will begin an irreversible decline.


      Buckle up

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        China is a rising juggernaut

        China was a rising juggernaut twenty years ago.

        They’re the lynchpin of the global economy today.

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      It’s literally going to pay for the destruction of this war and the complicity of those that stood by and watched.

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    I’m not saying that Trump has embraced the divine light of Allah and is doing all this to ensure that the US has to keep giving the Islamic Republic money years and years after he’s gone.

    I’m just saying, he did recently tweet “Praise be to Allah.” 🤔🤔🤔

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      One can imagine that being told “a civilization will die tonight” will act as motivation for them to get one.

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        I recall a political cartoon back when Gaddafi was killed, it was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (then president of Iran) and Kim Jong Un watching the bombing of Lybia under USA flag, with one asking “What message do you get from this?”, and the other replying “Build more nukes!”

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    11D chess. He’s going to turn Iran into another stupid rich petrostate full of corrupt plutocrats.

    Iran is going to be another Hong Kong or Singapore by the end of the century.

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      Iran has been an autocracy since like 678 BC, although between 1925 and 1979 they had some social progress then immediately backpedalled. There’s no more corrupt than that. You’re probably thinking they might magically align more with the Blue Fascism than the Red Fascism of their Chinese sponsors if they had enough money, but I think that’s a foolish notion.

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        This seems like an inaccurate representation of Iranian history so please feel free to elaborate. Sure Iran was an autocracy in 678 BC, not sure how that’s relevant to today, but Iran’s democracy was overthrown by Western powers when it tried to nationalize its oil in the early 50s. The West then installed an autocrat representing its interests until the revolution in 79.

        In fact several Gulf countries (Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar) had prodemocratic nationalist movements during this period that were purposefully squashed by the West.

        The purportedly most democratic nations in the world have also been the most active in supressing democracy elsewhere. They’ve had to become very adept at talking through both sides of their mouths, as it’s easier to exert foreign influence / interference via an autocrat versus a messier and less predictable democratic process.

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          Mossadegh wasn’t the perfect democrat, he’s often painted as in hindsight. How he dissolved parliament wasn’t exactly transparent, and his empowerment law gave him too powers of a dictator. His rule by decree wasn’t the most democratic either.

          The Shah was a strict authoritarian, sure. However what the Islamists did once they gained power was far worse than the Shah. In the first year the Ayatollahs killed more people than the Shah did in throughout his reign. Iranians had more freedoms and overall better lives under the Shah than afterwards.

          At the time the world powers cared more about stability, economic power, energy availability, spheres of influence than democratic rule. Remember that in the 1950s decolonization hadn’t really started yet. The British Empire was deteriorating, but still around and fighting for its existence. So they wanted to have friendly rulers in the oil rich countries in the region. Oil was increasingly the key to economic prosperity. The new kings all over the region (Jordan, UAE, Iraq, etc.) had been British allies against the Ottoman Empire back during WW1. Keeping these allies happy and in power was seen as essential for keeping influence in the region and creating stability.

          It’s doubtful the British and Americans would have intervened in Iran, if they had not nationalized to oil industry so abruptly.

          tl;dr western meddling bad, mullah regime worse

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          I very clearly mentioned the 1925-1979 social progress, but even during that time it was a centralized autocratic power under the singular rule of the Shah, and then it was simultaneously invaded by the UK and the USSR in 1941 before the 1953 coup turned the tides in the USA’s favor until the 1979 revolution turned it back the other way towards the CCP’s favor.

          It’s great to oppose authoritarianism, but it’s that disgusting bootlicking you people do where you defend some authoritarianism while condemning others that really pisses me off.