Slavery didn’t end because the slaves revolted. It ended because white people fought to abolish it. The North could have allowed the South to continue on as a separate nation with slaves, but they insisted the Confederacy remain with the Union, AND end slavery.
Often the downtrodden need those in power to use that power to fight for them.
Slavery didn’t end because the slaves revolted. It ended because white people fought to abolish it.
Holy revisionist history!!
White abolitionists absolutely played a role in ending chattel slavery in the United States, not the least of which were John Brown, the 48ers, and others who were doing what they did for the goal of Abolition primarily.
The vast majority of northern politicians, generals, and soldiers, were engaged in the Civil war to preserve the Union, first and foremost. Abolition was a distant secondary concern for most of them.
Furthermore, Slaves weren’t just sitting on their asses waiting to be freed by the benevolence of white people, they were agents of history all on their own. W.E.B. DuBois argued in Black Reconstruction in America that an underdiscussed turning point in the Civil War was when slaves engaged in one of the largest general strikes in American history. A strike which crippled the southern economy and thus its ability to sustain the war.
So yes, Slavery did end in very large part because the slaves revolted.
It’s not revisionist at at all. In fact you partially agreed with me, that WHITE abolitionists were prime agents of ending slavery.
Slavery ended IN PART because the slaves resisted, but it’s revisionist history to pretend that the enormous Civil War that killed millions of Americans, mostly white, didn’t play the most major role in the end of slavery.
There wasn’t a single American slave revolt that contributed substantially to the end of slavery. When Union armies started encroaching on Southern territory, slaves abandoned their posts, and headed to Northern lines, but it wasn’t anything organized. DuBois characterized it as a General Strike, but it was really just the slaves taking advantage of the opportunity of a lifetime. There was no organized revolt, no General Strike, just individual motivation to escape while it was possible.
Sure, the Union Army was fighting to preserve the Union, but they were also well aware that the ONLY issue that was dividing the Union was slavery. Literally every Southern Constitution, and the Confederate Declaration of Independence made it very clear that their single issue was slavery. Without Slavery, there is no Civil War. And without the mostly white Union Army, the South would have continued with slavery.
There wasn’t a single American slave revolt that contributed substantially to the end of slavery.
Except I literally gave you an example of one…The massive general strike of slaves which crippled the southern economy
Du Bois wrote that, as Union forces marched through the South, enslaved laborers escaped plantations, presenting themselves at army camps to join the fight.
https://daily.jstor.org/did-black-rebellion-win-the-civil-war/
So even DuBois, who was the first to characterize the initial liberation of the slaves as a General Strike, acknowledged that the “General Strike” was preceded by the encroaching Union Army encouraging them. They were already essentially free. Walking off the plantation was just the slaves claiming their new status as free people.
A General Strike implies organization, and that wasn’t strictly true. They didn’t plan for it, set a date, etc. When the Army got close, and everybody knew the region was inevitably going to fall, they walked off the job. If the Northern Army hadn’t shown up, would those slaves had done a General Strike on their own? Of course not, any “General Strike” was only as a result of the approaching army, and the recognition that the end was imminent anyway.
This wasn’t a General Strike, it was just the end of slavery. It’s like characterizing the closing of a company as a General Strike. It isn’t a strike, and all the workers walked off the job, the factory just closed, and everybody lost their jobs.
Sounds like you’re a white savior
No, I have a degree in history. I prefer facts to vibes.
The simple truth is that slavery was ended by the Civil War, with a Union Army that was 10% black soldiers, and 90% white soldiers. That’s just a simple fact, from our National Archives.
It isn’t revisionist history to acknowledge that slavery was ended primarily through the deaths of white soldiers, and pointing that out doesn’t make me a white savior. I have also heavily studied Critical Race Theory, and think it should be taught at a high school level in America. I think we could go a long way in educating Americans about the true and significant contributions of black Americans, but that doesn’t require making up new facts that support our personal fantasies. That’s MAGA thinking.
Sounds like you have a deep disdain for anyone non white, you should consider working on that. By the way, your degree, HIStory, sexist as fuck.
Well, I tried to be respectful, and offer facts as my reply, but this one is a special kind of self-righteous dickhead.
Yes that’s why I’m asking you to work on your outdated, sexist and racist beliefs.
Nothing I said was wrong, and you didn’t even attempt to dispute it. You just went straight to calling me names because I pointed out the simple historical fact that an enormous army of primarily white soldiers was the primary driver of the end of slavery. I acknowledged that slaves and black soldiers helped, but it is simply an historical fact that the war wasn’t ended by a General Strike (which may not even have really happened, it was just one person’s characterization of the situation), it was ended by the overwhelming might of the Union Army, which was 90% white. Sorry if the truth makes you uncomfortable.
You are a shallow thinker who doesn’t understand that pointing out actual historical facts that don’t align with your 21st century ideologies doesn’t make me sexist or racist, just accurate.
Your insistence that I’m sexist and racist is ignorant, and silly. Besides, where did you get Sexist from? We were talking about slavery, so I could see where a confused person could somehow fall back on a racist label, but sexist? That wasn’t part of the discussion in any way. That was just you piling on to someone you’ve decided to hate simply because they repeated a truth that makes you uncomfortable. You’re the one spewing the bigotry, not me.
Maybe YOU should work on THAT.
Your degree is in HIS-story. HIS being the prefix you’re choosing to use. It’s blatantly sexist by ignoring the plight women have suffered throughout time. Classic white savior tactic. Obfuscate the truth to push a racist narrative. You really think things would be better if the south won? Why would you even imply something like that?
As a trans white woman, tbh I remember when the discussion was that privileged people should be amplifying minority voices and talking points, and at least on the axes I’m oppressed along I stand by that position. A lot of people are unwilling to listen to me about my humanity, but they are a hell of a lot more likely to listen to my cis relatives.
Also those discussions can be exhausting for the affected and having the non affected doing 101 level talks with each other spares me them.
Fellow white transfem here, I definitely agree that there’s a time and place for unaffected people to advocate for a minority.
That said, if I’m being charitable to OP, there are absolutely times when minorities get talked over in ways that really suck.
I once attended a listening circle/support group that came together as a piece of transphobic legislation was likely to pass in my state. I went, expecting a good mix of trans folks and allies, and that we’d be coming together to vent our frustrations and figure out a way forward.
But what I got instead was a room full of mostly cis people, talking over the trans people in the room, and being all sad and morose, like the bill in question was already a foregone conclusion. Like the trans people in the room were a lost cause to mourn, rather than worth helping.
And that… Sucked! That bill didn’t pass, but it wasn’t because any of the cis people in that room did anything to help.
That’s fair, and yeah I’ve definitely had those interactions as well, plenty of times even.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a CommunistThen they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a SocialistThen they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a JewThen they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for meI’m left
Then they came for the shitposters.
OK, now its time to speak out. That’s going too far!!
Hee hee ho ho ha ha
Damn we getting mad at white women again?
As someone that defended humanity of Palestinians and spoke out against Israel genocide, it’s okay if white women talk about the plight of others or the oppression they suffer
Shitpost. But yes I’m very mad.
I think there isn’t a black and white (no pun intended) rule when it comes to standing up for someone else.
There are situations where it’s appropriate and situations it’s not.
And it’s hard to say across the board to keep your mouth shut if you are white and see another group being discriminated against. Or to always interject yourself.
I’m a woman and I think of the times I’ve been in a situation where I really would have appreciated a man stepping in so that I didn’t have to be the one woman calling out something so blatantly misogynist.
Because then I’m seen as the bad person. The snowflake.
But other times, I think . Men need to shut up about what they think women need or want about our reproductive health because they don’t know anything. But I sure would like it if they supported what we said.
My general rule is. I back people up if they say something about an injustice and show I support them.
But if I see blatant discrimination and injustices being enacted on someone, I will call it out.
And try my best not to draw attention to the person being discriminated against and make them feel embarrassed.
i think some people are missing the point in that its making fun of the people that do this for the vanity instead of actually caring
Correct
If it’s intended to call out the vain, why does it say white liberals?
White
Are you saying all white people who advocate for minorities are virtue seeking and self congratulating
Yes, I am making that genuine and sincere statement in a shitpost.
Does that mean you believe white liberals don’t actually care about minorities?
Who?
So, back in real life. At a protest? Yes, it’s valuable for white people to speak up, since they’re more difficult for police to persecute. Sorry you’re too uninformed and naice to realize this, so wise OP.
Do you know some leading organization that are let concerned people speak, organized and plan their actions, without someone that want to “help them to understand their own conditions” ? I know some organizations dike that, and their are out of the limelight by others. And those others are liberal that think their have the right knowledge and their are need … or vanguard leftists that think they have the right political thinking to analyse the situation.
In both case, they are acting like missionaries (and are their are some historical and sociological link).
You take one example (that is true), but this is not enough. White people could act under the control of the collective; with an imperative mandate of what that person shall talk to, or what line shall that person defend, without asking his mind
💋
This is a hilarious take. How far do you think it would go if only black people cared about black problems? If only black people fought against slavery, I’m almost certain it would still be widespread publicly. It still certainly is t fixed. We still have systemic corruption and incarceration based servitude for slave wages, but on an individual level, it’s been mostly taken care of and because it wasn’t just the directly affect fighting against it. No, minorities do not need anyone to speak for them, but other people, especially those of the same race as the oppressors, it needs to happen. Otherwise “they’re just being uppity again.”
Get em dude
I am a cis white woman. My opinion has never, in my life, mattered to any real consequence. I am not liberal, I am an anarchist. Fuck this title. My opinion has never mattered in the scheme of things and never will. What’s the best I could ever do? Be loud on Twitter? Maybe run for minor local office and lose to a rich fuck? No. My opinions do not, in fact matter. They never have, and they never will.
Perfect
Imagine thinking that only minorities can stand up for minority rights. What’s your suggestion then, that White people have no business doing anything but maintaining the status quo, because it’s not their place to speak out for others?
Imagine
Racist post. I hope it isn’t tolerated by the community.
Do activists with a messiah complex exist? Yes. Are they annoying? Yes. Should folks considered “white” and politically “liberal” be generalized into having this attribute? No. It’s racist to do so.
OP is quite bigoted and should know better.
Sounds like I did it correctly. Get fucked silly head. Its a shitpost specifically to bother idiots like you. Teeheee
“I get to code my racism behind a flair, checkmate atheist!”
Cry harder, explain how this post in any way means I am racist.
Yeah I’m crying hard lol
Watch me use my tears as lube 🍆💦
Stop trying to turn me on! Thats where I draw the farcical shitpost line.
He was a big fan of segregation.
I’m married to a white woman. I think advocacy for segregation is a flawed and impractical position, but, at the risk of hypocrisy, I understand and commiserate with the foundation behind the argument.
Modern White savior complex.
and it’s usually all wrong!
I worry about this sometimes. I don’t ever want to be seen as speaking “for” minorities I’m not a member of, but I do want to be seen speaking “up for” them. And I worry about finding the right balance. I don’t want to speak over them, but do want to help make it clear that I support them and I am opposed to those who are opposed to them. I don’t want to be MLK’s “white moderate”.
Don’t worry, this is just chud racist propaganda in an attempt to divide the left by race.
Speak truth to power and punch Nazis.
You don’t need to worry about shit. Propaganda like the OP’s serves only to make you feel guilty about speaking up, pushing you to become one of MLK’s white moderates.
If you’re in a position to advocate for a group who’s voice is being muffled, do it.
You already know the distinction between that and talking over them - don’t let internet bullshit blur the line.
I heard this once, and it’s stuck with me since: don’t speak for people that you don’t speak to. It helps me remember that I don’t really know the challenges a marginalized community faces if I’m not a part of it, and I should do the work of listening and understanding before inserting myself into a situation with perhaps well-intentioned, but misguided, attempts at helping.
Enable them to speak for themselves. Be the person that notices they are missing from the conversation and invites them in.
Universal concepts, like Justice.
Careful thinking justice is a universe or objective concept.
I could make the case for systemic racism in the justice system: how and why it happens. But if I dont feel educated enough in that subject to do it justice, I could just say that everybody deserves the right to a fair trial, based on their actions rather than their skin color.
I feel that the most important thing is to speak out against the people who oppose minorities’ rights. You don’t need to speak for minorities to oppose those who oppress them.
Most folks I know just want you to treat em like people. And if someone’s being a dick to the it’s certainly right to call it out (and maybe spit on em if the circumstance permits).
I struggle with this too. I’m reading White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo right now though and it’s main suggestion is to just oppose racism when you see it. Call white people out on their behavior even if it makes everyone uncomfortable and makes you unpopular.
Also, to listen to feedback from people of color without getting defensive. No one is going to be perfect and we live in a system which is constantly socializing us, it’s ok if we fuck up but just try and fix it when you learn better.
Stand beside, not in front.
You can stand in front as a shield, but only then.
