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    After working for the DNC for free for years and most of my calls being right, they can suck my fucking dick never again the amount of fucking consulting fees other people squeezed out of those pricks meanwhile I’m basically unemployable because of my politics, I’m not even a fucking american.

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    Man, you really just have to post “I refuse to support genocide” to bring the blue maga nazis out of the woodwork.

    It’s very simple: I refuse to support genocide.

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    If the electoral system only lets you choose leaders who don’t align with the majority, it’s not a democracy. It’s a dictatorship with extra steps.

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    It’s not even generate a candidate that doesn’t support genocide, it’s literally just not stand in the way of or conspire against such a candidate, but naturally the DNC and their controlled opposition functionaries can’t even manage to do the right thing by doing nothing at all.

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    Rhetorical: Omg again? With same exact picture? In not really political comm?

    (Disclaimer: not US citizen)

    Go and vote in primaries for candidates you want, so maybe you get someone decent (so “no matter who” part is eliminated), apply pressure to them right now. Until you have enough power and support to create new party from scratch (and have it catch third of population instantly somehow, including republicans) or overthrow current system altogether, you have to work within it.

    Also: in famous thought experiment, named Trolley problem, do you call yourself murderer (genocider) if you decide to push the lever?

    I myself had different and conflicted opinions during those years, arguments for voting blue and third party (or abstaining) both look quite convincing, at least for not well versed in politics me. Ugh.

    Looking forward to mod award on this post.

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    I’m not that sure that history will give a shit about US American Democrats or US American Republicans.

    Those labels will be lost. “US American” concentration camps, disappearing citizens, ignoring court orders, death squads … there will be no “oh that was just the Republicans”; it will be “oh that was just the Americans”.

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    Being able to say “I’m not going to vote if there is no progressive candidate, I don’t care if republicans win again” must be nice when you’re not the one being actively hunted down by ICE. But hey, at least you’ll have a good view at immigrants being detained and sent to another alligator alcatraz from your high horse.

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      Liberal nazification has progressed to the point where “not endorsing the r@pe and genocide of millions” is now “being on a high horse”.

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      The United States is a strange country. Murder, terrorism and genocide are perfectly normal, but someone who is disgusted by these and refuses to play along is somehow considered weird.

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      Being able to vote blue no matter who and going back to brunch with the only change being LGBT flavoured concentration camps and bombs going to to Israel must be nice. Blue MAGA mindset is disgusting

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        So you’ll choose the greater of two evils then? You’d knowingly inflict more suffering on more people so you can maintain some sense of moral superiority?

        Or are you a plant, here to intentionally discourage people from choosing the lesser of two evils and lesson overall suffering?

        Because, let’s be honest, there not a whole lot USians can actually do in the face of their government. Actually standing up to, and fighting the government which would be the actually best thing, is absolutely terrifying to the average person.

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          The lesser evil is actually a mass armed uprising, but you privileged fascists-in-denial reject that course out of hand because it might personally inconvenience you, and would rather knowingly support Holocaust 2 than lift a finger for humanity.

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        No matter how you spin there’s an obvious worse option because the alternative (including resigning to vote) includes that and more.

        Obviously there should be a straight up better option that doesn’t include that but you’ve gotta pick the best option out of those you’re dealt. A small step towards good, even if just a side step is better than leaping head first into the maw of evil. Something your votes do give you some agency over.

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          That and more being shown in the media

          The actual imperial policy doesn’t change.

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      This is written as if you’re trying to imply the other party is offering to dismantle ICE.

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    Maybe we don’t deserve a country if we can’t elect a non corrupt person (from either side).

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      I mean, the DNC supports genocide. Trump is worse, which is really a testament to how phenomally bad he is for just about everyone on the planet. I want progressive democrats on the ballot, but I’m not holding my breath. I’m still going to vote, and I’m going to vote for the least bad option.

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          With our current voting system, you really don’t, and the third option is rarely a significant upgrade. Ironically, third party candidates have a better chance during midterms because of low voter turnout, especially in local elections. The focus on this particular midterm means it is even harder for downballot third party or independent candidates, because the rank and file are going to show up to the polls.

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            our voting system is a false dichotomy that’s been manufactured by both the republicans and democrats legally squeezing out alternatives as much as possible and socially manipulating our perceptions of a third option for decades.

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            As the US Empire continues to decay, and neither party is capable of rescuing it, support for abandoning the system altogether and adopting a new one will rise.

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              I would have thought you were right, but we’re eyebrow deep in this shit. The human capacity for ignoring a problem in favor of remaining comfortable has shaken my faith in humanity. I hope you’re right.

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        voting for any non-progressive candidate perpetuates this system that’s controlled by baby raping/eating/killing oligarchic billionaires.

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          Not voting for any candidate because none of them are progressive enough perpetuates the same system. How are you helping by not voting for the lesser evil?

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            “Those who choose the lesser evil are all too quick to forget that they chose evil”

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            There’s always actual progressives on the ballot. It’s just too many have fallen for the “lesser evil” brainwashing that they fail to see it. It’s no different than the red scare crap we’re still trying to kill.

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              As a lifelong progressive who has voted in every election in the past 26 years, no there are not always actual progressives on the ballot. But your point that we should support them when there is one progressive, even when they cannot hope to win, is also fallacious. Sometimes they could win with our support, and sometimes they could not. Vote accordingly.

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              Politics is a spectrum, and theoretically there is a candidate even for you that would still support genocide and also be progressive enough to earn your vote.

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            there’s always a progressive candidate and you should always vote; just be aware that both the republican and democratic parties are actively perpetuating this system.

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            I believe you can make the case for either option (lesser evil or third party) and either is definitely better than not voting, but I’m of the view that voting is a negligible part of our political involvement that gets too much attention, organizing is a lot more necessary and effective, otherwise things will never improve

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              Absolutely this is a critical point. If you want better candidates, create them. Forge them and support them. Attend townhalls and demand answers from candidates. That’s the time to shape the race. Once you enter the voting booth, it’s far too late to try to fix everything with one choice.

              I like the quote from Gandhi, “Whatever you do in life will be insignificant but it is very important that you do it…” I think that applies to voting. One vote may be insignificant, or it may be everything. You won’t know, and you may never know for sure. But if you don’t vote, it is definitely nothing.

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        @themeatbridge yep

        voting is not a marriage proposal, it’s a chess move towards a better future.

        I still want everyone at the DNC leadership to choke and die, soonest.

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          chess moves implies control and voting for the lesser evil isn’t a strategic move; it’s just hoping that the piece you think you’re forced to move does the least amount of damage.

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              the majority have been employing your chess strategy for decades and here we with so many people not voting that there aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up the difference anymore.

              end the game while there’s still time before climate change to fucks everyone.

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    ‘Lol but everyone knows midterms and primaries arent important!’

    (Proceeds to complain about quality of candidates during the presidential)

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      It’s less that the midterms and primaries aren’t important, and more that the candidates allowed in them are not even passable.

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    At this point staying home helps Trump. It’s the fucking reason he’s there. Trump votes stayed consistent with 2020 but Dems votes dropped by millions. You saying Harris would be just as bad? This view is pushed by billionaires to help get fascists elected.

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      Top Democratic officials who worked on the party’s still-secret autopsy of the 2024 election concluded that Kamala Harris lost significant support because of the Biden administration’s approach to the war in Gaza, Axios has https://web.archive.org/web/20260223002443/https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza

      Wow, maybe dont run pro-genocide candidates if you want your base to Vote for you? Or do you think the cult-like devotion of the republicans is a positive democrats should follow?

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        i fear that they tried to suppress it because they planned on trying the same strategy again in 2028.

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        Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?

        I’m not a US citizen but I still act similar in my local elections - vote for the candidate that will do less evil when they’re in office, if there is no better option. And I gotta hand it to the DNC they’re really amazing at just cutting off their own legs. Because shooting themselves in the knee can’t describe this.

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          Then again what is the other Option?

          Insane levels of Stockholm syndrome on display. “It puts the genocide on the skin, or else it gets the Trump again.”

          What should the German people have done when Hitler rose to power? Knowing what we know now, what would have been the best “option” for them?

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          Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?

          Or, just run a non-genocidal candidate. For God’s sake, the election is years away, and you just take it as obvious that Democrats will choose a monster

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          vote for the candidate that will do less evil when they’re in office, if there is no better option.

          Im sorry but thats just a losing strategy, if you dont demand better, you will never get better as a choice

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          Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?

          you should always vote and only vote for the most progressive candidate available; do not settle for the lesser evil.

          we’ve been voting for the lesser evil for decades and here we are w trump in the white house and so many liberals disaffected by the system that there aren’t even enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference.

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      Then the Democrats shouldn’t run candidates that will cause millions of people to stay home.

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      approximately 10 million and the dems still refuses to change their game, but it’ll be worse next time because of epstein and iran… in addition to gaza.

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          They will be shown as many times as it takes for you to demand better than blue hitler

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          it’s not about retribution, it’s about complicity w genocides; wars for profit; and baby raping/killing/eating.

          people are slowly becoming disaffected and now there’s so many who won’t participate that aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up the difference.