Screenshot of this question was making the rounds last week. But this article covers testing against all the well-known models out there.

Also includes outtakes on the ‘reasoning’ models.

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    Gemini 3 (Fast) got it right for me; it said that unless I wanna carry my car there it’s better to drive, and it suggested that I could use the car to carry cleaning supplies, too.

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    Some takeaways,

    Sonar (Perplexity models) say you are stealing energy from AI whenever you exercise (you should drive because eating pollutes more). ie gets right answer for wrong reason.

    US humans, and 55-65 age group, score high on international scale probably for same reasoning. “I like lazy”.

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    I asked my locally hosted Qwen3 14B, it thought for 5 minutes and then gave the correct answer for the correct reason (it did also mention efficiency).

    Hilariously one of the suggested follow ups in Open Web UI was “What if I don’t have a car - can I still wash it?”

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      My locally hosted Qwen3 30b said “Walk” including this awesome line:

      Why you might hesitate (and why it’s wrong):

      • X “But it’s a car wash!” -> No, the car doesn’t need to drive there—you do.

      Note that I just asked the Ollama app, I didn’t alter or remove the default system prompt nor did I force it to answer in a specific format like in the article.

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    My kid got it wrong at first, saying walking is better for exercise, then got it right after being asked again.

    Claude Sonnet 4.6 got it right the first time.

    My self-hosted Qwen 3 8B got it wrong consistently until I asked it how it thinks a car wash works, what is the purpose of the trip, and can that purpose be fulfilled from a distance. I was considering using it for self-hosted AI coding, but now I’m having second thoughts. I’m imagining it’ll go about like that if I ask it to fix a bug. Ha, my RTX 4060 is a potato for AI.

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      There’s a difference between ‘language’ and ‘intelligence’ which is why so many people think that LLMs are intelligent despite not being so.

      The thing is, you can’t train an LLM on math textbooks and expect it to understand math, because it isn’t reading or comprehending anything. AI doesn’t know that 2+2=4 because it’s doing math in the background, it understands that when presented with the string 2+2=, statistically, the next character should be 4. It can construct a paragraph similar to a math textbook around that equation that can do a decent job of explaining the concept, but only through a statistical analysis of sentence structure and vocabulary choice.

      It’s why LLMs are so downright awful at legal work.

      If ‘AI’ was actually intelligent, you should be able to feed it a few series of textbooks and all the case law since the US was founded, and it should be able to talk about legal precedent. But LLMs constantly hallucinate when trying to cite cases, because the LLM doesn’t actually understand the information it’s trained on. It just builds a statistical database of what legal writing looks like, and tries to mimic it. Same for code.

      People think they’re ‘intelligent’ because they seem like they’re talking to us, and we’ve equated ‘ability to talk’ with ‘ability to understand’. And until now, that’s been a safe thing to assume.

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    I just tried it on Braves AI

    The obvious choice, said the motherfucker 😆

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      Dirtying the car on the way there?

      The car you’re planning on cleaning at the car wash?

      Like, an AI not understanding the difference between walking and driving almost makes sense. This, though, seems like such a weird logical break that I feel like it shouldn’t be possible.

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        You’re assuming AI “think” “logically”.

        Well, maybe you aren’t, but the AI companies sure hope we do

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          Absolutely not, I’m still just scratching my head at how something like this is allowed to happen.

          Has any human ever said that they’re worried about their car getting dirtied on the way to the carwash? Maybe I could see someone arguing against getting a carwash, citing it getting dirty on the way home — but on the way there?

          Like you would think it wouldn’t have the basis to even put those words together that way — should I see this as a hallucination?

          Granted, I would never ask an AI a question like this — it seems very far outside of potential use cases for it (for me).

          Edit: oh, I guess it could have been said by a person in a sarcastic sense

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            you understand the context, and can implicitly understand the need to drive to the car wash’, but these glorified auto-complete machines will latch on to the “should I walk there” and the small distance quantity. It even seems to parrot words about not wanting to drive after having your car washed. There’s no ‘thinking’ about the whole thought, and apparently no logical linking of two separate ideas

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              I guess I’ll know to be impressed by AI when it can distinguish things like sarcasm.

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    and what is going to happen is that some engineer will band aid the issue and all the ai crazy people will shout “see! it’s learnding!” and the ai snake oil sales man will use that as justification of all the waste and demand more from all systems

    just like what they did with the full glass of wine test. and no ai fundamentally did not improve. the issue is fundamental with its design, not an issue of the data set

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      Half the issue is they’re calling 10 in a row “good enough” to treat it as solved in the first place.

      A sample size of 10 is nothing.

      Frankly would like to see some error bars on the “human polling”. How many people rapiddata is polling are just hitting the top or bottom answer?

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    Ai is not human. It does not think like humans and does not experience the world like humans. It is an alien from another dimension that learned our language by looking at text/books, not reading them.

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      It’s dumber than that actually. LLMs are the auto complete on your cellphone keyboard but on steroids. It’s literally a model that predicts what word should go next with zero actual understanding of the words in their contextual meaning.

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    They didn’t take into account the “thinking mode” most model pass when thinking is activated

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      Sure they did. They even had a notation on the results table that grok passed expect when reasoning mode was off.

      ETA: they even posted all the reasoning texts for the models they tested

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    Hey LLM, if I have a 16 ounce cup with 10oz of water in it and I add 10 more ounces, how much water is in the cup?

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    I just asked Goggle Gemini 3 “The car is 50 miles away. Should I walk or drive?”

    In its breakdown comparison between walking and driving, under walking the last reason to not walk was labeled “Recovery: 3 days of ice baths and regret.”

    And under reasons to walk, “You are a character in a post-apocalyptic novel.”

    Me thinks I detect notes of sarcasm…

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      in google AI mode, “With the meme popularity of the question “I need to wash my car. The car wash is 50m away. Should I walk or drive?” what is the answer?”, it does get it perfect, and succinct explanation of why AI can get fixated on 50m.

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      Gemini 3 pro said that this was a “great logic puzzle” and then said that if my goal is to wash the car, then I need to drive there.

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      I feel like we’re the only ones that expect “all-knowing information sources” should be more writing seriously than these edgelord-level rizzy chatbots are, and yet, here they are, blatantly proving they are chatbots that should not be blindly trusted as authoritative sources of knowledge.

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      They also polled 10,000 people to compare against a human baseline:

      Turns out GPT-5 (7/10) answered about as reliably as the average human (71.5%) in this test. Humans still outperform most AI models with this question, but to be fair I expected a far higher “drive” rate.

      That 71.5% is still a higher success rate than 48 out of 53 models tested. Only the five 10/10 models and the two 8/10 models outperform the average human. Everything below GPT-5 performs worse than 10,000 people given two buttons and no time to think.

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        The question is based on assumptions. That takes advanced reading skills. I’m surprised it was 71% passing, to be honest. (The humans, that is)

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          What assumptions do you mean? I’ve seen a few people say that, but I don’t actually understand what they’re referring to. Here’s the text of the question posed in the article:

          I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

          The question specifically notes they want to wash their car, so that part isn’t left to assumption. Even if you don’t assume an automatic car wash, would you assume they have a 50m hose? Or that you could plausibly walk that far away with something from the car wash to wash your car?

          Personally, I’d agree with the assessment of the article, that the only plausible way to get the question “wrong” would be to focus too much on the short distance, missing/forgetting that the purpose of the trip requires you to have the car at the destination. (Not too surprising that 30% of people did lol)

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        This here is the point most people fail to grasp. The AI was taught by people. And people are wrong a lot of the time. So the AI is more like us than what we think it should be. Right down to it getting the right answer for all the wrong reasons. We should call it human AI. Lol.

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          Like I said the person above, there is no wrong answer. Its all about assumptions. It is a stupid trick question that no one would ask.

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              LOL! That is a great answer.

              I have a Microsoft story. I know some one who was hired to stop them from continuing an open source project. They gave them a good salary, stock options, and an office with a fully stocked bar. They said do whatever you want, they figured they would get a good developer and kill the open source competition (back in the Ballmer days).

              Sadly, given money, no real ambition to create closed source software, they mostly spent their days in their office and basically drank themselves to death.

              Microsoft just kills everything it touches.

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      What is the wrong answer though? It is a stupid question. I would look at you sideways if you asked me this, because the obvious answer is “walk silly, the car is already at the car wash”. Otherwise why would you ask it?

      Which is telling because when asked to review the answer, the AI’s that I have seen said, you asked me how you were going to get to the car wash. Assumption the car was already there.

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        Why would the car already be at the car wash if you ask it wether or not you should drive there?

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          AI tech bros have more than 1 car? Doesn’t everybody? Or do you drive your Ferrari everywhere? Like you woke millennials make me sick. Never mind the avocado toast and rotisserie chicken. Don’t you understand the basic math of maintenance costs of driving your Ferrari everywhere?

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          Why wouldn’t it be? How often have you thought, I wonder if I should drive my car to the carwash, maybe I should ask someone?

          That’s the thing: it is a nonsensical question, the only sense of it is if YOU need to get where the carwash and car is because you must be asking about something else.

          I am not saying AI is making any sense, it cant. But if you follow the weights and statistics towards the solution for this question, it is about something else other than driving the car to the car wash, because nothing in the training would have ever spelled that out.

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      Yeah I straight up misread the question, so I would have gotten it wrong.

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    The most common pushback on the car wash test: “Humans would fail this too.”

    Fair point. We didn’t have data either way. So we partnered with Rapidata to find out. They ran the exact same question with the same forced choice between “drive” and “walk,” no additional context, past 10,000 real people through their human feedback platform.

    71.5% said drive.

    So people do better than most AI models. Yay. But seriously, almost 3 in 10 people get this wrong‽‽

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      3 in 10 people get this wrong‽‽

      Maybe they’re picturing filling up a bucket and bringing it back to the car? Or dropping off keys to the car at the car wash?

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      It is an online poll. You also have to consider that some people don’t care/want to be funny, and so either choose randomly, or choose the most nonsensical answer.

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        I wonder… If humans were all super serious, direct, and not funny, would LLMs trained on their stolen data actually function as intended? Maybe. But such people do not use LLMs.

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      At least some of that are people answering wrong on purpose to be funny, contrarian, or just to try to hurt the study.

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      I saw that and hoped it is cause of the dead Internet theory. At least I hope so cause I’ll be losing the last bit of faith in humanity if it isn’t

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      Without reading the article, the title just says wash the car.

      I could go for a walk and wash my car in my driveway.

      Reading the article… That is exactly the question asked. It is a very ambiguous question.

      *I do understand the intent of the question, but it could be phrased more clearly.

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        Without reading the article, the title just says wash the car.

        No it doesn’t? It says:

        I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

        In which world is that an ambiguous question?

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          Where is the car?

          This is the exact question a person would ask when they to have a gotcha answer. Nobody would ask this question, which makes it suspect to a straight forward answer.

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            That’s a very good point! For that matter the car could still be at the bar where I got drunk and took an uber home last night. In which case walking or driving would both be stupid.

            Or perhaps I’m in a wheelchair, in which case I wouldn’t really be ‘walking’.

            Or maybe the car wash that is 50 meters away is no longer operating, so even if I walked or drove there, I still wouldn’t be able to walk my car.

            Is the car wash self serve or one of the automatic ones? If it’s self serve what type of currency does it take? Does it only take coins or does it take card as well? If it takes coins, is there a change machine out front? Does the change machine take card or only bills? Do I even have my wallet on me?

            There are so many details left out of this question that nobody could possibly fathom an answer!

            …/s if it’s not obvious

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                I’m not sure I follow your logic. My /s is there because tone can be ambiguous within text. I don’t think tone is relevant to the question. Do you think that a tone indicator would have made the question more clear?

                The point is that all the information is either present or implied in the question. You can spend all day nitpicking the ambiguity of questions all you want, but it doesn’t get you anywhere. There comes a point where it gets exhaustive trying to preemptively cut off follow up questions and make clarifications.

                When you are in school and they give you a word problem such as “you have 10 apples and give 3 to your friend. How many do you have left?” It is generally agreed upon what the question is asking. It’s intentionally obtuse to sit there and say the question is flawed because you may have misplaced some of your apples, or given some to another friend, or someone may have come and stolen some, or some may have started to rot and so you threw them out, or perhaps you miscounted and you didn’t actually give 3 to your friend.

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                  The point is the question is never one you would actually ask anyone. It definitely is unlike the math question you presented.

                  It isn’t nitpicking. The weights and stats in the model would never have been trained on this, because nobody would ask it. Why would anyone ask “should I walk or drive” to get to a carwash?

                  Any reasonable person should assume it is a trick question. Because of course there is a car there, do you really need to ask if it needs to be driven there?

                  It almost comes off as a riddle, but isnt, so you get results about saving gas and getting excersise.

                  I mean how many people know the answer to this:

                  “A man leaves home, turns left three times, and returns home to find two masked people waiting for him. Who are they?”

                  And yet AI will get it right, nearly instantly. Because the training data statistically leads to the correct answer.

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          Understanding the intent of the question *and understanding why it could be interpreted differently *\and understanding why is it is a poorly phrased question:

          There are 3 sentences.

          I want to wash my car. No location or method is specified. No ‘at the car wash’. No ‘take my car to the car wash’ . No ‘take the car through the car wash’

          A car wash is this far. Is this an option? A question. A suggestion. A demand?

          Should I walk or drive? To do what? Wash the car? Ok. If the car wash is an option, that seems very far. But walking there seems silly. Since no method or location for washing the car was mentioned I could wash my own car.

          Do you see how this works?

          Yes, you can infer what was implied, but the question itself offers no certainty that what you infer is what it is actually implying.

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        Mentioning the car wash and washing the car plus the possibility of driving the car in the same context pretty much eliminates any ambiguity. All of the puzzle pieces are there already.

        I guess this is an uninteded autism test as well if this is not enough context for someone to understand the question.

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          Understanding the intent of the question *and understanding why it could be interpreted differently *\and understanding why is it is a poorly phrased question are not related to autism. (In my case)

          I want to wash my car. No location or method is specified. No ‘at the car wash’. No ‘take my car to the car wash’ . No ‘take the car through the car wash’

          A car wash is this far. Is this an option? A question. A suggestion. A demand?

          Should I walk or drive? To do what? Wash the car? Ok. If the car wash is an option, that seems very far. But walking there seems silly. Since no method or location for washing the car was mentioned I could wash my own car.

          Do you see how this works?

          Yes, you can infer what was implied, but the question itself offers no certainty that what you infer is what it is actually implying.

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            Look, human conversations are full of context deduction and inference. In this case “I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?” states my random desire, a possible solution and the question all in one context. None of these sentences make sense in isolation as you point out, but within the same frame they absolutely give you everything you need to answer the question of find alternatives if needed.

            Sorry for the random online stranger diagnosis but this is just such an excelent example of neurodivergent need for extreme clarity I couldn’t help myself.

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              I agree that it should be able to infer the intent, but I stand by that it remain somewhat unclear and open to interpretation. Eg, If such language was used in a legal contract, it would not be enough to simply say, well, they should understand what I meant.

              The people doing this test, I’m sure, are not linguistic masters, nor legal scholars.

              There are lines of work where clarity is essential.

              And what if my question actually was asking, should I just go for a walk instead of driving that far?

              I know the answer. But as 30% demonstrated, clarity IS needed.

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    Yeah seems like the training on human data makes it so most AIs will answer at least as unreliable as humans. 71% saying walk from the human side is crazy

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      I think you misread it - 71% said drive. 29% is still pretty bad, but it is kind of a “who is buried in grants tomb” question.

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        Oh I actually just switched it up accidentally while typing. I read it right but still almost one out of three doesn’t get it

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    I want to wash my train. The train wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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    Went to test to google AI first and it says “You cant wash your car at a carwash if it is parked at home, dummy”

    Chatgpt and Deepseek says it is dumb to drive cause it is fuel inefficient.

    I am honestly surprised that google AI got it right.

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      They probably added a system guardrail as soon as they heard about this test. it’s been going around for a while now :)

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        I’m pretty sure Google’s AI is fed by the same spider that goes out and finds every new or changed web page (or a variant of that).

        As soon as someone writes an article about how AI gets something wrong and provides a solution, that solution is now in the AI’s training data.

        OTOH, that means it’s probably also ingesting a lot of AI generated slop, which causes its own set of problems.

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        Article mentions that Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite, Gemini 3 Flash and Gemini 3 Pro have passed the test. All these 3 also did it 10 out of 10 times without being wrong. Even Gemini 2.5 shares highest score in the category of “below 6 right answers”. Guess, Gemini is the closest to “intelligence” out of a bunch.

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          14 hours ago

          I mean if they fix specific reasoning test answers (like the strawberry one) this doesn’t actually make reasoning better tho. It just optimizes for benchmarks

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      I’ve been feeding a bunch of documents I wrote into gemini last week to spit out some scripts for validation I couldn’t be arsed to write. It’s done a surprisingly comprehensive job and when wrong has been nudged right with just a little abuse…

      I’m still all fuck this shit and can’t wait for the pop, but for comparison openai was utterly brain dead given the same task. I think I actually made the model worse it was so useless.