If the gold is in an accepted standard form, such as krugerrands, you just need to find a precious metals dealer. If it’s just a pile of gold, then there’s a lot of hassle. I imagine ingots of the sort national gold reserves hold would be somewhere in between.
Shifting a large quantity of gold may require a non-optional explanation of its provenance, with “I woke up and it was just there” or “a genie gave it to me after I did an online quiz” not being adequate, and an inadequate explanation resulting in its forfeiture if not more serious legal hassles. With a large pile of gold and no good explanation, you may be reduced to smurfing small pieces of it to different dealers, moving around a lot and avoiding the attention that such a pile would inevitably draw.
People like Al Capone would have a few things to say about unverified sources of wealth in any form. Pretty sure if I show up at a car dealer with a briefcase of bills it’ll raise a few questions too.
Yet another way society is biased against the poor. A rich guy shows up with a briefcase full of money and nobody bats an eye, it’s just another day. A poor guy shows up with a briefcase full of money and then suddenly everyone starts asking questions, and if he doesn’t have good enough answers he might get thrown in jail.
What if I mowed a rich guy’s lawn and he gave me a really big tip? No, I don’t remember his name. No, I didn’t keep the address. It was over there somewhere, go that way, it’s the big house with the mown lawn. You’ll find it, just keep looking…
US law requires any cash transaction of $10,000 or more be reported to the IRS/Treasury Dept. to include the federal tax ID # of both parties/entities, and the deposit accounts involved.
Not necessarily, it’s a crime to deposit 9999 instead of 10 and not report. When I worked at a bank anyone who knew what they were doing and deposited 8-9k in cash got the form. People who found out and then did anything else? You get a form. People who walk out? They get a surprise notice from the fbi later.
Basically if the bank thinks you might be close we just give you the form and you don’t get to say no anymore.
That depends as well. Gold in specimen and nugget form can be worth considerably more than its value by weight and there’s plenty out there chasing these. These are not hard to move at all.
But yeah, there can be difficulties trading it and it’s generally subject to taxes. Quite often you need to be licenced as at least a fossicker if you’re selling unrefined gold as a prospector.
That’s without the pain in the arse process of separating it from impurities.
I’d choose gold. AFAIK most all money laundering rules deal with cash.
Even if a geine were to give you 500 tons of cash or gold, some governments may have a problem with that and choose to redistribute it.
Choosing gold makes the value much more liquid in my opinion.
Not to mention that gold doesn’t rot (unlike USD). In today’s economy gold is probably more value-dense (as in, a pound of gold is worth more than a pound of hundered-dollar bills).
Currencies also come and go but gold stays. If you’re thinking long-term, gold is the vastly better choice.
If that works for you, fine. Im sticking with cash. The government doesnt know I have it, they wont know to look for it. And it wont start rotting in my lifetime.
O, very little would actually get deposited. But all my groceries and eating out and booze and lots of video games and hobbie shit will just get paid for in cash.
Cash, the value be dammed. Im not trying to sell fucking gold. Im not a fucking merchant
If the gold is in an accepted standard form, such as krugerrands, you just need to find a precious metals dealer. If it’s just a pile of gold, then there’s a lot of hassle. I imagine ingots of the sort national gold reserves hold would be somewhere in between.
Shifting a large quantity of gold may require a non-optional explanation of its provenance, with “I woke up and it was just there” or “a genie gave it to me after I did an online quiz” not being adequate, and an inadequate explanation resulting in its forfeiture if not more serious legal hassles. With a large pile of gold and no good explanation, you may be reduced to smurfing small pieces of it to different dealers, moving around a lot and avoiding the attention that such a pile would inevitably draw.
People like Al Capone would have a few things to say about unverified sources of wealth in any form. Pretty sure if I show up at a car dealer with a briefcase of bills it’ll raise a few questions too.
Yet another way society is biased against the poor. A rich guy shows up with a briefcase full of money and nobody bats an eye, it’s just another day. A poor guy shows up with a briefcase full of money and then suddenly everyone starts asking questions, and if he doesn’t have good enough answers he might get thrown in jail.
What if I mowed a rich guy’s lawn and he gave me a really big tip? No, I don’t remember his name. No, I didn’t keep the address. It was over there somewhere, go that way, it’s the big house with the mown lawn. You’ll find it, just keep looking…
US law requires any cash transaction of $10,000 or more be reported to the IRS/Treasury Dept. to include the federal tax ID # of both parties/entities, and the deposit accounts involved.
5002 $9999 transactions
Yup that looks very normal to me. Probably looks nothing suspicious to your FBI agent either.
Structurization.
I know someone who worked in a software company that developed algorithms and systems for banks and gambling to detect these.
Yep.
Literally pulling out $9,999 instead of $10,000… that in and of itself is a crime, even if you’re not actually doing anything funny with it.
Not necessarily, it’s a crime to deposit 9999 instead of 10 and not report. When I worked at a bank anyone who knew what they were doing and deposited 8-9k in cash got the form. People who found out and then did anything else? You get a form. People who walk out? They get a surprise notice from the fbi later.
Basically if the bank thinks you might be close we just give you the form and you don’t get to say no anymore.
Depends on the dealership, heh
Same would be required for 50M in cash not to mention Taxes.
Btw cash is 50M gold is ~90M
(And yes the “M” dose mean Monopoly money)
I wonder if i should pick the option that is going to make someone else rich off their commission, or just cash?
That depends as well. Gold in specimen and nugget form can be worth considerably more than its value by weight and there’s plenty out there chasing these. These are not hard to move at all.
But yeah, there can be difficulties trading it and it’s generally subject to taxes. Quite often you need to be licenced as at least a fossicker if you’re selling unrefined gold as a prospector.
That’s without the pain in the arse process of separating it from impurities.
You don’t think you’ll be investogated for a massive gold transaction?
You don’t sell the gold. You take 10x loans of gold’s worth and use it as collateral. Like banks and billionaires do. Well maybe 100x…
I’d choose gold. AFAIK most all money laundering rules deal with cash.
Even if a geine were to give you 500 tons of cash or gold, some governments may have a problem with that and choose to redistribute it.
Choosing gold makes the value much more liquid in my opinion.
Not to mention that gold doesn’t rot (unlike USD). In today’s economy gold is probably more value-dense (as in, a pound of gold is worth more than a pound of hundered-dollar bills).
Currencies also come and go but gold stays. If you’re thinking long-term, gold is the vastly better choice.
If that works for you, fine. Im sticking with cash. The government doesnt know I have it, they wont know to look for it. And it wont start rotting in my lifetime.
Besides, you never know when the FBI might show up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fbi-arrests-former-cia-officer-seizes-40-million-in-gold-bars-from-his-home/ar-AA24htDu
I could see FBI showing up if you try to do something with 500 kg of dollar bills as well.
you can visit my local pawn shop, they give cash for gold
70m in gold pls
Okay, here’s your five dollars. Thank you for your business.
Depending where you are you might not be able to put a that amount of cash in your bank, although it’s easier to use.
O, very little would actually get deposited. But all my groceries and eating out and booze and lots of video games and hobbie shit will just get paid for in cash.
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