• stateofaffairs@lemmy.today
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    Meanwhile in California, over 50% of the population voted against taxing billionaires via Prop 40. I don’t understand that one at all. The fear mongering worked, I guess.

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      Yeah well the standard line they always trot out whenever anybody starts talking about taxing billionaires is the threat of the billionaires leaving. The thing is, if they were actually prepared to do that they wouldn’t spend all the money fighting it, they would just wait until it happened, and then leave.

      Billionaires don’t really care about tax, it’s like the least expensive thing they spend money on in a year. They’ll quite happily spend 10,000 times as much on a yacht, it’s like asking an average earner if they would consider moving to get out of paying a 40 cent annual surcharge.

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        Billionaires don’t really care about tax,

        I think they do. Money going to tax is under public control and cannot be used to buy influence.

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          It’s just about power. Their influence comes from their wealth and paying taxes would mean giving power away.

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        Yep, Billionaires are where they are. In general, they do not move when tax laws change (of all billionaires moving per year, only a single digit percentage can be brought in connection with wealth taxes)

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      Probably cause half the people currently sleeping in their car in Californian cities are worried how it’ll affect them eventually when they finally get their start-up off the ground and make their first billion

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      The very shallow take that taxing the rich will make them move somewhere else or hurt jobs. They are already hoarding the money and jobs are based on other factors. If the rich moved around based on taxes, they wouldn’t live in any western countries at all. Terkministan would be the prime destination. They live in places like California and New York because they like it there, otherwise North Dakota would be the new hotspot in the US.

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      The billionaires bought two fake propositions to cancel out 40, then they pushed endless ads about saying that your retirement, schools, hospitals, etc. woudl be destroyed by yes on 40, no on 41, no on 42.

      AKA Capital and its state doing what the enslavers concocted it to do - violently defend their disgusting privilege at the expense of everybody else.

      The violence in this case is the attack on healthcare, etc.

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      Prop 40 is not a good way to tax billionaires. A wealth tax is extremely messy. To institute an entirely new approach to taxation would create years of accounting and legal headaches, and only help short term.

      And it’s hard to overstate how shortsighted a single-time tax is.

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    This is unironically how the right sees Trump and his ilk though. Vividly remember a conversation between two family members when one said “why are people mad? He just wants to make America great again.”

    Not sure the point I’m trying to make tbh. Just be careful with how we envision “our” candidates in our minds.

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        Once I get Talarico’s face tattooed on my chest and fly a “Talafreako” flag on the back of my truck every day and wear a “Time To Start Flipping Tables” hat to every Thanksgiving with my family for the next ten years then maybe we can have a cautionary conversation about idolizing politicians.

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          Do you thibk his supporters don’t care about the rape allegations, or do they just not believe them?

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      It took them awhile to realize Trump’s definition of “great” and “big beautiful” was for the 1%ers, but a dystopian hellscape for the 99%.

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          At least enough came to their senses that blue swept the midterms. Lotsa former MAGAs switched to blue. That’s how BADLY Trump has been masquerading as a Republican, actually a despotic tyrranic fascist oligarch.

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            and yet I remain unconvinced that a significant portion of his sycophants understand that higher prices are merely the beginning of his idolatric shitshow. Most have merely come to the end of their pitifully short attention span.

            My greatest fear is that all of this is merely over cost of living, and after establishment dems snuff any meaningful change, we’ll be right back to fighting the fascist de jure after Trump slumps into his grave.

            Unless (and yes, it IS a big unless that I desperately hope is merely the ghosts of the past) the Dems enact meaningful change, within the next two years, it’ll be right back to clown A vs clown B for 2028.

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      By that logic, vote for the Democrat who wants to make America even better. Yeah, they absolutely take him at his word (except when he’s calling them stupid or denigrating military personnel, etc) but don’t listen to people who have receipts.

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    The RADICAL LEFT wants to create car-free zones for safer, greener and more accessible cities 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

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    I’ve heard soooo many conservatives saying that “both sides are bad” and yes, I will agree. Within reason both sides are bad, but in all honesty, only one side is protecting pedophiles, starting meaningless wars, and endangering the lives of other people just because of who they want to sleep with and the color of their skin and who they chose to worship.

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      They aren’t all conservatives saying both sides commit evil, in fact, that’s a very not conservative thing to believe.

      The Democrats are also protecting pedophiles and have started wars and also still complicit in a genocide. They are fucking indistinguishable from outside of America.

      When was this mythical version of the Democratic party that didn’t involve itself in imperialist wars? Obama it was Syria, Afghanistan, and Yemen, and deportations. Biden it was Gaza, Yemen, Lebanon and more deportations.

      They are not our friends (at least they aren’t mine) even if they do this stuff less they are not to be supported.

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        So long as not supporting them cannot turn into helping the even worse option. Only an absolute fool allows worse to happen just because there is no ‘good’ option.

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    To be fair, that’s what the Republicans say too. They just mean something very different by those words.

    Neither side interprets the spoken words at face value. The moral difference is very much in the underlying ideology, not in these explicit words.

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    I always think it’s funny how people on the right seem to think calling someone a liberal is an insult. Yeah, dude, you correctly identified my political position, it wasn’t really a secret though.