My landlord recently told me how much they think the place I’m renting would sell for, and now idk why the owners even bother renting to me because the price is like 50 years worth of my rent.
The bubble could pop though and you lose out. The market has softened near us and there are people that have lost 100s of thousands in equity already, and are upside down in the mortgage
The bubble will inevitably pop as the boomers start dying and the housing supply relative to the population starts increasing. Plus no want wants to pay for the catchup work needed to address 30 years of deferred maintenance, so a lot of houses will go for cheap.
Exactly. Example: my dad’s house needs 3 new bathrooms, a new roof and repaint. Also new basement lighting and a new family room carpet. What people will be buying is the closeness to grocery, Costco, the highway, rural views, a lake, and a major airport.
This. I was going to mention the depracating property. Our place needs a new roof soon. I have seen people skip it as well as lots of other outside water shielding maintenance and the place is a rotten mess 50 years later
Of course, but a generation of homeowners grew up learning that, barring short disruptions, home prices always go up. Nevermind that this was largely due to interest rates steadily dropping since the 80s, reaching basically 0% during Covid.
Since there isn’t really room for interest rates to drop anymore people shouldn’t expect home prices to rise faster than incomes rise, but it’s going to be hard to undo 30 years of observation.
Well you see, he can take a loan on the equity, you pay the loan for him and he doesn’t have to pay any where near as much in taxes. You’re just helping out a landlord in need.
They mean if they sold it now they’d have 50 years of rent now, instead of waiting 50 years to accumulate that amount. All that money now is worth more then getting it later.
I think I do. I’ve been managing properties for some 20 years. Mostly commercial.
What I’m saying is that in order to understand why the landlord doesn’t just cash in on 50 years of rent, you first need to understand the difference between the profit/loss and assets/liabilities sections in a financial statement.
The tenants (income) are not paying for the building (asset). They only need to cover the interest (cost) from the loan (liability) in order for the the landlord to make money (profit).
The only time it makes sense to compare the rental income to the value of the asset is for the annual asset evaluation.
If the landlord waves the evaluation and rent around like OP says, it just shows that the landlord doesn’t understand it either and is just throwing numbers into the air to impress people.
My landlord recently told me how much they think the place I’m renting would sell for, and now idk why the owners even bother renting to me because the price is like 50 years worth of my rent.
Because he gets a steady supply of money and then in 10-20 years it will be worth 100 years of your rent on top of the 10-20 they collected already.
The bubble could pop though and you lose out. The market has softened near us and there are people that have lost 100s of thousands in equity already, and are upside down in the mortgage
The bubble will inevitably pop as the boomers start dying and the housing supply relative to the population starts increasing. Plus no want wants to pay for the catchup work needed to address 30 years of deferred maintenance, so a lot of houses will go for cheap.
Exactly. Example: my dad’s house needs 3 new bathrooms, a new roof and repaint. Also new basement lighting and a new family room carpet. What people will be buying is the closeness to grocery, Costco, the highway, rural views, a lake, and a major airport.
This. I was going to mention the depracating property. Our place needs a new roof soon. I have seen people skip it as well as lots of other outside water shielding maintenance and the place is a rotten mess 50 years later
I feel like “lose out” is an overstatement. There are/were still steady rent payments even if the whole bottom falls out.
Of course, but a generation of homeowners grew up learning that, barring short disruptions, home prices always go up. Nevermind that this was largely due to interest rates steadily dropping since the 80s, reaching basically 0% during Covid.
Since there isn’t really room for interest rates to drop anymore people shouldn’t expect home prices to rise faster than incomes rise, but it’s going to be hard to undo 30 years of observation.
Well you see, he can take a loan on the equity, you pay the loan for him and he doesn’t have to pay any where near as much in taxes. You’re just helping out a landlord in need.
It’s because your landlord never paid for it. The bank did. You’re paying the interest on his loan.
They mean if they sold it now they’d have 50 years of rent now, instead of waiting 50 years to accumulate that amount. All that money now is worth more then getting it later.
Don’t forget taxes. All they have to do is “move in” for a year or so to get a massive tax savings on the sale.
I know what they meant.
Renting out properties is not about making tenants pay the same amount as the property is worth over any period of time.
It’s about having someone else cover the cost of borrowing the money while the property increases in value by itself until they decide to cash in.
I don’t think you know how loans work.
I think I do. I’ve been managing properties for some 20 years. Mostly commercial.
What I’m saying is that in order to understand why the landlord doesn’t just cash in on 50 years of rent, you first need to understand the difference between the profit/loss and assets/liabilities sections in a financial statement.
The tenants (income) are not paying for the building (asset). They only need to cover the interest (cost) from the loan (liability) in order for the the landlord to make money (profit).
The only time it makes sense to compare the rental income to the value of the asset is for the annual asset evaluation.
If the landlord waves the evaluation and rent around like OP says, it just shows that the landlord doesn’t understand it either and is just throwing numbers into the air to impress people.