China took advantage of the technology gap and capital flooding
That’s a funny way of spelling child labor and sweat shops.
Yes I recognize how China has leveraged its position. No, I do not accept that China is socialist. I think whatever China is, is new — what isn’t new is human fallibility. Certainly can’t be socialism, because they wouldn’t need to force billionaires to be philanthropists — the billionaires wouldn’t exist.
Like surely I’m not the only one who sees the hypocrisy there? This isn’t even meant to be a ‘gotcha’ — how do you maintain that China is a socialist country with rapidly growing wealth inequality? Is it because the odd billionaire get’s popped every now and again or is forced to donate a large sum of their money? Seriously?
I’m not going to sit here and say ‘America #1’ because I don’t believe that and haven’t for decades.
Let me put it this way, I think that if this meeting between U.S. billionaires + Trump in China ends without a single one of these individuals being arrested — I have my answer on where China really stands. So will you, but I’m willing to bet I know how that will play out.
Let me put it this way, I think that if this meeting between U.S. billionaires + Trump in China ends without a single one of these individuals being arrested — I have my answer on where China really stands.
“If China doesn’t declare war on the US they’re not real socialists”.
What “machine?” What thinking am I doing for anyone? If people react to a statement you make in a similar way, why is that not evidence of being a sensible conclusion to your assertion?
You’re defining socialism as “no billionaires,” which means “no private property,” which means “no transition at all between capitalism and communism.” There’s no hypocrisy here, you have a fundamentally flawed understanding of what constitutes socialism, which is working class control of the state and an economy where public ownership is principal, both of which apply to China.
This fundamentally flawed outlook is why you’re saying China isn’t truly socialist if they don’t immediately declare war on the US Empire and potentially plunge the world into nuclear war, purely to satisfy an online commenter. You see socialism not as a mode of production, but purely violence against capitalists. This is just a worship of adventurism, not a commitment to ending class society through scientific analysis of development and the conquest of political and economic power via revolution, which China completed in 1949.
This fundamentally flawed outlook is why you’re saying China isn’t truly socialist if they don’t immediately declare war on the US Empire and potentially plunge the world into nuclear war, purely to satisfy an online commenter.
No that isn’t what I suggested at all, what I suggested is that — by Chinese law — the majority of individuals in this meeting will be criminals. We will see what happens, or doesn’t — unless you’re seriously trying to suggest that U.S. billionaires being arrested would result in nuclear war. Hell, I’m pretty sure Trump could be arrested and it wouldn’t result in nuclear war.
China arresting a diplomatic delegation would be considered an act of war. China has absolutely nothing to gain by attacking individual Statesian CEOs, and far more to gain by building alternative partnerships that sidestep the US and Europe altogether, if need be, which is what they have been ramping up in the last decade (and why the heat is turning up).
What would China gain from arresting any of these goons, who would immediately be replaced? You’re treating them like they believe themselves to be, special individuals that got to the top through merit and cannot be easily replaced, when in reality it’s the working classes that built them.
That’s a funny way of spelling child labor and sweat shops.
Yes I recognize how China has leveraged its position. No, I do not accept that China is socialist. I think whatever China is, is new — what isn’t new is human fallibility. Certainly can’t be socialism, because they wouldn’t need to force billionaires to be philanthropists — the billionaires wouldn’t exist.
Like surely I’m not the only one who sees the hypocrisy there? This isn’t even meant to be a ‘gotcha’ — how do you maintain that China is a socialist country with rapidly growing wealth inequality? Is it because the odd billionaire get’s popped every now and again or is forced to donate a large sum of their money? Seriously?
I’m not going to sit here and say ‘America #1’ because I don’t believe that and haven’t for decades.
Let me put it this way, I think that if this meeting between U.S. billionaires + Trump in China ends without a single one of these individuals being arrested — I have my answer on where China really stands. So will you, but I’m willing to bet I know how that will play out.
“If China doesn’t declare war on the US they’re not real socialists”.
Not what I said, unless you’re suggesting that arresting U.S billionaires is an act of war.
Literally a single one of them. They’re all criminals under Chinese law. We’ll see what happens, or doesn’t.
Also, I do think it’s funny how Cowbee ends up thinking for you guys. Interesting to see the machine at work.
When they’re there as part of a US delegation it absolutely would be did you think this through at all?
Don’t even know what you’re trying to imply with this.
What “machine?” What thinking am I doing for anyone? If people react to a statement you make in a similar way, why is that not evidence of being a sensible conclusion to your assertion?
You’re defining socialism as “no billionaires,” which means “no private property,” which means “no transition at all between capitalism and communism.” There’s no hypocrisy here, you have a fundamentally flawed understanding of what constitutes socialism, which is working class control of the state and an economy where public ownership is principal, both of which apply to China.
This fundamentally flawed outlook is why you’re saying China isn’t truly socialist if they don’t immediately declare war on the US Empire and potentially plunge the world into nuclear war, purely to satisfy an online commenter. You see socialism not as a mode of production, but purely violence against capitalists. This is just a worship of adventurism, not a commitment to ending class society through scientific analysis of development and the conquest of political and economic power via revolution, which China completed in 1949.
No that isn’t what I suggested at all, what I suggested is that — by Chinese law — the majority of individuals in this meeting will be criminals. We will see what happens, or doesn’t — unless you’re seriously trying to suggest that U.S. billionaires being arrested would result in nuclear war. Hell, I’m pretty sure Trump could be arrested and it wouldn’t result in nuclear war.
China arresting a diplomatic delegation would be considered an act of war. China has absolutely nothing to gain by attacking individual Statesian CEOs, and far more to gain by building alternative partnerships that sidestep the US and Europe altogether, if need be, which is what they have been ramping up in the last decade (and why the heat is turning up).
What would China gain from arresting any of these goons, who would immediately be replaced? You’re treating them like they believe themselves to be, special individuals that got to the top through merit and cannot be easily replaced, when in reality it’s the working classes that built them.