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I wish I had the confidence of people like you to talk so arrogantly on things you so clearly have no understanding of.

I fully agree with this post though? Voting for Americans is meaningless. It holds no value, whether you vote for the blue half or the red half of the uniparty it’s the same interests behind the scenes who own both. Nothing of value has even been won through voting, women’s suffrage, civil rights, the modern 8 hour workday and 5 day week, etc. all won through struggle with actual meaning.

I’m not a euroamerikan so whoever Americans vote for has no effect on how America is to me. They can vote Blue Red or Purple for all I care I just wish they’d stop upholding voting for the different colours of the uniparty as something that has any value.

The blue train is fast only for the people outside the empire

While probably true on a technicality (although I’d frame it as accelerating slightly slower for Americans rather than not being fast). You also don’t seem to take into account that it’s the blue train setting the foundation that allows the red train to accelerate as fast as it does, or the fact that through slowing the acceleration for Americans slightly and their general better pr they sustain the system allowing it to continue immiserating hundreds of millions for longer.

Also it’s not 2 trains per say but one train implementing a 2 part strategy. (The ratchet effect as people call it).

Voting and not voting are equally meaningless actions, pushing voting as something important and the democrats as something to strive for is bullshit that only serves to obscure reality and help perpetuate the status quo that is built on the mass exploitation and murder of those of us outside the empire.

Voting or not voting in America is irrelevant one is not better than the other. Your vote means nothing you have a uniparty that works for the interest of a ruling class to which they have given 2 names. I often wish Americans would remember how change was truly affected by groups like the Suffragettes, and those that made up movements like the labour movements and civil rights movement etc (hint: it wasn’t by voting for 99.9% Hitler). If they would start seeing people outside euroamerika as equal humans that would be nice too but I can only live and hope.

If you’re from outside the US, then what’s your stake in this?

I don’t know maybe the fact that the us is a giant murderous empire that kills thousands(+) every year through direct military action and indirectly through financial warfare and has destroyed multiple countries? Really confirming Americans don’t see people outside euroamerika as human.

I was talking to the fuckface saying that both parties are equivalent

Which party destroyed Libya? Which party oversaw and supported the beginning of this current escalation to overt genocide in Palestine? Which party filled Serbia with depleted uranium that continues to have negative effects in health outcomes to this day? Which party oversaw the drone strikes on weddings and innocents in Yemen and across the middle east?

I could keep going and also talk about the bi-partisan enforcement of sanctions that kill thousands(+) every year, or the backsites like Guantanamo that continue to run under both parties and so on.

Only if you don’t see the people outside the US empire as people.

As someone outside the US empire: how about you go fuck yourself instead.

The one who needs to check their privilege is you who is obstinate in downplaying and sweeping under the rug the horrors of your stormtroopers abroad so you can cry about how evil it is for victims (and would be/soon to be victims) to feel relief that they met justice while in the act of perpetrating said horrors.

Yeah again not going to feel sorry for murderous rapist stormtroopers just because they’re little mid 20s children who don’t know right from wrong. Please stop with your clean wheremacht nonsense. You condemn the Nuremberg trials as well I suppose the Nazis didn’t know any better they were just following orders and surrounded by propaganda right?

I am not sorry for having no sympathy for imperialist stormtroopers. In the internet age ignorance is not an excuse. Should rapists and murdered in their early 20s be let off with warnings? Obviously not. Please take your clean wheremacht nonsense elsewhere.

i agree with this and i asked my question because the last half century in the west has made it abundantly clear that proselytizing this understanding is woefully inadequate against monied interests, yet most marxists agree that the public must be engaged in this manner nonetheless.

As I understand it the issues in this regard in the west is not that the message or wording is wrong necessarily but simply that it is not accompanied with any action of note (for many reasons) which leaves Marxists mainly as preachers as opposed to leaders and teachers.

now that, that same monied interest has (or are about to) effectively gate keep and capture social media; i fear that this shift will reverse back to the previous dynamic.

Certainly possible but putting this particular genie back in it’s bottle might not be as easy as they wish especially given they are losing ground not only in the ideological front as the decay becomes impossible to ignore but also in material reality where again the decay of the empire and it’s knock on effects become harder and harder to swallow for the average denizen of the imperial core.

All that’s left to see is will the Marxists of the imperial core seize the moment or be swept aside by the rise of the fascists.

i suspect that we both can agree that the non-white racial makeup of the ice agents and republicans give the illusion that it’s not a “white” supremacist empire.

True however illusions do not change the fact that white supremacy is the bedrock upon which the western liberal hegemonic order is built. All it does is add to the imperative of pointing it out consistently so that said illusion cannot be used as the ideological veil it is intended to be.

i agree with the sentiment shared in your comment and my only quibble is that using “white” – although accurate – detracts from the messaging and i wonder there’s a another term that can be used for the overwhelming majority of westerners that rely on superficial/popular understanding that the word “white” carries with it.

I think it’s best to avoid ceding ground in the realm of thought to the reactionaries, instead focusing on forcing them to see reality as it is. That white is the designated ingroup of the current hegemonic empire.

it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of Nazi soldiers

You’re simply wrong. Celebrating the deaths of those who voluntarily signed up to be fascist stormtroopers raping, pillaging and war criming their way across the periphery is entirely reasonable. Especially for those of us outside the white supremacist western empire who the stormtroopers are intended to be sicked on.

Just saw this but @gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml seems to have beat me too it.

But effectively:

I couldn’t so boldly say things can get better very quickly. Can they really?

They can, simply look at China or the USSR when the revolution came and effectively every metric that matters (life expectancy up, poverty down etc.) went vertical.

Does human nature support that

Human nature isn’t real. Material reality precedes thought/nature.

Things really can get a lot worse and very quickly.

Things can also get a lot better very quickly. Being against major change because change can be bad is like being against having a big cake because shit can also be big.

Which countries do governments build houses, where a free market already exists?

Most of them that have the capability? Never heard of social housing? Typical Amerikkkan brain.

Thinking Trump is some aberration imposed upon Amerika by outside forces as opposed to the culmination of everything Amerika is requires a complete and total disregard for what Amerika has done and continues to do and the reasons that underpin it.

Tldr it’s the copiest cope Amerikans have ever coped.