Don’t worry about it, you’re english is fine and I would never blame a person for that anyway.
The reason I made that sentence comparison was not to suggest that you were lying to me, it was to illustrate the game of telephone that gets played every time subjects like this come up.
You say something like “Black lives matter,” but what people hear is “White lives don’t matter.” And so, then you spend a bunch of time arguing about whether “Black lives matter” is a good catch phrase instead of police violence.
You say something like “straight women get far too handsy with queer people,” but what people hear is “all straight women are evil.” And so, then you spend a bunch of time arguing about whether being straight and a woman is morally acceptable instead of sexual assault.
If you’re paying attention, you’ll notice something. This game, where you just add extra words to the things people are saying, is really easy to play.
I told the other person I would be upset if their supposedly better framing was just to swap the word ‘man’ for ‘patriarchy’, and the reason why is that the likes of Andrew Tate or Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes or Steven Crowder—all of these broken clocks, as you say, all of them know that ‘patriarchy’ just means men. And even if it didn’t (it kind of doesn’t), they’ll just say it does anyway. That’s their air of legitimacy.
All of the work that you put into avoiding this situation where these grifting conservative dipshits get to pretend that what you’re saying is worse than it is is really easy to unravel. You spend all of this energy trying to appease people, and it buys you nothing. And worse, you never actually got to talk about sexual assault.
You are losing the battle if you let them drag you into this pithy, pointless debate about the exact verbage of the idea you’re trying to express. It is so much better to just shut them down.
I’ll leave you with this question: if the problem is that the phrase “straight women love SAing queer people” is misleading, why does explaining what you actually meant never seem to fix the problem?
I think a lot of that comes from the growing miasma of loneliness and social antipathy. A lot of people are bored, and resentful, and they feel like their lives suck, and there’s nothing to do but hop on discord, and they’re 26 and they don’t have a house yet; and as soon as you patch them up a bit, suddenly they lose interest in being incels.
You ever been kind of irritable, maybe while on the job, and like an hour later, after the lunch rush, you realize you were just hungry? All of that irritation just melts away. I don’t think that these things are different. You have to get to the emotional core of what’s actually bothering people.
Anyway, I’ve done like a metric fuckton of talking here. I love my own voice, but I’m kind of sick of it now.
I am curious, though: you said you pulled yourself out of the alt-right pipeline, what do you feel it was that saved you?
The honest awnser is I do not know. It kinda just happened. One day I just caught myself watching youtubers and reading things that before I would just shun for being too woke (this was before the term became popular back when feminist were the big boogyman) for a lack of a better term.
Maybe it was just a matter of growing up because the depression and loneliness (apparently I am also autistic but I kinda doubt the diagnosis) went away much later.
It could be growing up. Well, I’m glad you’re with us now.
I don’t think I was ever that deep in it, but my dad did raise me as a conservative “centrist.” I distinctly remember catching sight of an XKCD about how people treat global warming as a political issue instead of, you know, a science one. And that was an epiphany moment for me. I was like “He’s right. The fuck are we arguing about this for?”
I would say I went from pretty right wing to center left. My current stance is more or less you should be able to earn millions (not billions that is just insane, no single person should have that kind of power) but everyone should have the same opportunities and rights.
Yeah, with science it is a similar situation because especially scientific literature gets so complex that most people do not understand it or get bored reading it and just like with politics lived experience can be very different from what scientist are telling you.
Don’t worry about it, you’re english is fine and I would never blame a person for that anyway.
The reason I made that sentence comparison was not to suggest that you were lying to me, it was to illustrate the game of telephone that gets played every time subjects like this come up.
You say something like “Black lives matter,” but what people hear is “White lives don’t matter.” And so, then you spend a bunch of time arguing about whether “Black lives matter” is a good catch phrase instead of police violence.
You say something like “straight women get far too handsy with queer people,” but what people hear is “all straight women are evil.” And so, then you spend a bunch of time arguing about whether being straight and a woman is morally acceptable instead of sexual assault.
If you’re paying attention, you’ll notice something. This game, where you just add extra words to the things people are saying, is really easy to play.
I told the other person I would be upset if their supposedly better framing was just to swap the word ‘man’ for ‘patriarchy’, and the reason why is that the likes of Andrew Tate or Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes or Steven Crowder—all of these broken clocks, as you say, all of them know that ‘patriarchy’ just means men. And even if it didn’t (it kind of doesn’t), they’ll just say it does anyway. That’s their air of legitimacy.
All of the work that you put into avoiding this situation where these grifting conservative dipshits get to pretend that what you’re saying is worse than it is is really easy to unravel. You spend all of this energy trying to appease people, and it buys you nothing. And worse, you never actually got to talk about sexual assault.
You are losing the battle if you let them drag you into this pithy, pointless debate about the exact verbage of the idea you’re trying to express. It is so much better to just shut them down.
I’ll leave you with this question: if the problem is that the phrase “straight women love SAing queer people” is misleading, why does explaining what you actually meant never seem to fix the problem?
Fair enough, quibbeling about phrasing also works in their favour.
It just comes out of a place of worry with the increasing divide between men and women.
I mean, I hear you.
I think a lot of that comes from the growing miasma of loneliness and social antipathy. A lot of people are bored, and resentful, and they feel like their lives suck, and there’s nothing to do but hop on discord, and they’re 26 and they don’t have a house yet; and as soon as you patch them up a bit, suddenly they lose interest in being incels.
You ever been kind of irritable, maybe while on the job, and like an hour later, after the lunch rush, you realize you were just hungry? All of that irritation just melts away. I don’t think that these things are different. You have to get to the emotional core of what’s actually bothering people.
Anyway, I’ve done like a metric fuckton of talking here. I love my own voice, but I’m kind of sick of it now.
I am curious, though: you said you pulled yourself out of the alt-right pipeline, what do you feel it was that saved you?
The honest awnser is I do not know. It kinda just happened. One day I just caught myself watching youtubers and reading things that before I would just shun for being too woke (this was before the term became popular back when feminist were the big boogyman) for a lack of a better term.
Maybe it was just a matter of growing up because the depression and loneliness (apparently I am also autistic but I kinda doubt the diagnosis) went away much later.
It could be growing up. Well, I’m glad you’re with us now.
I don’t think I was ever that deep in it, but my dad did raise me as a conservative “centrist.” I distinctly remember catching sight of an XKCD about how people treat global warming as a political issue instead of, you know, a science one. And that was an epiphany moment for me. I was like “He’s right. The fuck are we arguing about this for?”
I would say I went from pretty right wing to center left. My current stance is more or less you should be able to earn millions (not billions that is just insane, no single person should have that kind of power) but everyone should have the same opportunities and rights.
Yeah, with science it is a similar situation because especially scientific literature gets so complex that most people do not understand it or get bored reading it and just like with politics lived experience can be very different from what scientist are telling you.