Suspend , hibernation and resume
yes laptops may seem like they suspend and hibernate and resume properly on Linux. But they do not work reliably. Back in 2010, you could have laptop running hot inside your backpack just because it failed to suspend on lid close. Fast forwars to 2026, the lid close action works but for me, there are still small chances that it doesnt suspend properly or slow to suspend. I blame Intel and Micro$oft for the new standby mode.
As much as I hate Macs, those fucking money grabbers suspend 200% well. I dont care if you’re alert or drunk or 30,000 ft in the air, if you close on the lids on these laptops, they suspend quickly.
One of the main things I do miss about my MacBook.
Standby drains the battery surprisingly fast.
I think the main problem lies in the community.
Not everyone, but a few vocal rotten apples are hostile to new users who either:
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Don’t already know the answer to their own question
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Are not using their distro
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Didn’t immediately read the wiki entry for their exact problem
This kind of gatekeeping is why some people are put off of Linux and the community as a whole. Just because someone asks a question you think is obvious, doesn’t mean it’s obvious to them.
For number 3, it is only gatekeeping if the person asking for help can’t read.
i’d go as far as saying tfm exists for a reason
And Google sucks more and more every day…
There’s a good way to point people to existing documentation without being a jackass.
If someone doesn’t find the wiki article that answers their question because they didn’t know how to ask it with the right keywords, just point them to the wiki article and add any missing context to help the next person out.
A rude “rtfm” response with closing the ticket isn’t helpful.
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People assume it’s all terminal all the time. I haven’t needed to open the terminal for months. It starts up. With the GUI I open the browser. Maybe steam, too. Do stuff. Shut down.
While this may be true (I really have no idea at this point), terminal is a superpower, pretty much the best option for anything except manually dragging and dropping files one by one.
I never use the terminal. It’s not necessary for me. I’m not an IT user. I’m not missing out on anything. Many things I do don’t even have a terminal command. It’s important new users know this if they are not in to IT.
It’s useful for any meaningful use of a computer.
It deprives Apple and Microsoft of revenue. /s
Freedom is overwhelming.
You can change everything and anything… so that means a LOT of choices.
Yep, just choosing a distro can be daunting when you know nothing.
Software compatibility is probably the biggest issue. If someone relies on a piece of software that is Windows or MacOS exclusive, that can be enough of a deal breaker. Open source alternatives may exist, but they do not always have the same features or behave as expected compared to what they are replacing.
BLUETOOTH
Aha bluetoothctl connect f3:a2:de:e6:b5:a1
Connected
Could not connect
Audio.
And software availability.
pipewire just dissolved all my audio issues ever. could not be happier with it.
I resort to ancient audio hardware with pure ALSA from how bad the modern Linux audio stack has gotten
pipewire is forgivable as it’s slowly healing the Linux audio madness
Audio is so bad it’s unbelievable. I don’t know if it’s because laptops are built with shitty hardware and then compensated for with proprietary drivers (which Linux doesn’t ship with) but my God are they bad.
Nothing that can’t be fixed by wearing earbuds or plugging in some good speakers, of course.
It’s funny you mention this. This past weekend I installed Guix onto an alienware x14 r1. Install went pretty well, some minor hiccups. No issues regarding audio that I could see.
On sunday I tried to use the microphone and speakers and they wouldn’t work. I plugged a set of headphones into the aux jack and still no luck.
Gnome sound settings just shows “Dummy Output” for speaker and no source for the microphone.
Yesterday to get more info on the issue, I plugged the same headphones into a usb-c port (using aux to usb-c adapter) and I was getting sound (through headphones) and the microphone worked (tested everything in goodle meet).
When I have the headphones plugged in, gnome sound settings shows valid devices for speakers and the microphone.
Just Weird.
It needs more pre installed machines on the market.
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In Linux, you can configure everything. And you’re will be forced to do it.
That really depends on distro. With something like Arch and Debian, that is definitely the case. On the other hand, Bazzite requires almost no configuration and has scripts for common use cases.
Debian can be installed without doing any configuration. In the installer choose to have KDE, Gnome or another desktop and you will get a functional desktop with most normal apps and games. I’ve only made small changes to configuration but nothing that was blocking me from using it. Might not be the case for everyone and some other distros will be better at automatically configuring more things.
The only configuration that I felt I needed to do on debian out of the box was install Flatpak and enable flathub repos. Everything else worked.
Regardless of which distribution you choose, there will come this moment…
distribution
Computer. The OS makes no difference. There will come a time you want to do something, and it will be up to you to do it.
Flatpak and Docker are great, but making them talk to each other can get as complex as solving the problems they came to make easier in the first place.
For me its the nuance of things.
Like quality of life settings. Turn Bluetooth on automatically at boot. Yeah, you can do it, but not by looking at settings and turning that option on. No, you need to recognize that’s a problem then search for an answer, determine which of the 2 or 3 answers you find are right, then do it. Is it a deal breaker? Absolutely not. But I don’t want to “solve problems” for every thing I want to do.
My other gripes would be lack of software support. As great as some apps are, others there are no support for Linux.
I was about to say, I’ve only come across that particular issue since moving to KDE, but I know what you mean about the lack of options, but then I looked in the settings, and found this:
It’s getting there!
Progress!
Maybe it’s just the distros I’ve picked, but I’ve literally never had to do anything to get Bluetooth to turn on at boot
This stuff unfortunately depends by the desktop environment and because there are hundreds of them, it’s inconsistent.
On gnome it remembers it correctly, although there are a handful of times where the gamepad doesn’t connect automatically and I have to manually do that
Gamepad… I just use it wired because it was an easier solution. Like I said, sometimes things that should be settings become problems you need to solve.
That’s just part of the Linux game.
Its not really a deal breaker to me for the other benefits I get, but it really can be annoying. And more annoying that on average the Linux community doesn’t really acknowledge this.
I can completely understand an average person not wanting to deal with stuff like this, especially since its so inconsistent across distros.
the confounding tribalism behind its modularity. options are great, but they also bring out the absolute worst in many of us.
it’s not much of a problem until those options actually manage to fragment the desktop and server ecosystems, but the attitudes at play surely drive prospective newcomers away a bit.
the confounding tribalism behind its modularity. options are great, but they also bring out the absolute worst in many of us.
Exactly. Parts of the Linux community, and FOSS in general, are extremely hostile. And for some new users, that’s the first (and probably only) impression they get when they have an issue trying it out for the first time. It’s a very small minority, but they are loud and aggressive, and are not ostracized by the community nearly enough.
Telling a new user that is going out of their way to figure out how to find and post an issue or feature request to Github, telling them to just fix it themselves isn’t a solution, it’s just being a dick. 99.9% of this planet doesn’t know how to code, just because they’re making a post on GitHub doesn’t mean they know how to code. Especially not at a level to fix an issue like that.
And that some programs are extremely opinionated.
Ignoring requests with thousands of posts, or even pull requests where the changes are already implemented
“No. I won’t add tabs, it’s better UX to have separate windows”
“No, I won’t allow the user to save the password, even if it’s local or not important”
“All the temporary shit will be saved on the hardcoded directory ~/.fuckyou and not /tmp”
get lucky you can patch shit out or in
“All the temporary shit will be saved on the hardcoded directory ~/.fuckyou and not /tmp”
.fuckyou 😂😂
A recent bugbear of mine has been hardcoded icons.
Did you just try to theme my app? We’re opinionated software, and that’s bigotry.
If I need to change the icons for accessibility reasons, does my anti-ableism cancel out my bigotry? 😅
they used to be a much larger part of the community when i first got into linux in the early aughts; i’m glad RTFM is no longer considered a reasonable response.
Go on, say it
You mean systemd, don’t you?
Probably X vs Wayland. Everyone knows what the correct answer is.
Mir!
/j
Y Windows obv. 🧌
Y is so last decade, everyone I know is using X12
GNOME too
It’s Wayland, right? ^oh no^
Init managers for sure! Amongst file managers and DEs, firewalls, package managers, modern packaging systems and their sandbox/security systems, display servers (probably the funniest one), audio servers, filesystems.
Lots of stuff we should appreciate having as FOSS, especially the options we don’t choose.
Fully switching over for the last couple years has made this modularity feel especially apparent compared to commercial systems (when things aren’t always so seamlessly integrated) but I’m glad for it all; it’s really fucking cool to think about how dramatically you can change the experience of a Linux desktop OS.
I mean, it could be so many things. Could just be people fighting over distros in general, or it could be the wayland vs x11 thing.
There’s also a lot of zealous discourse on the subject of atomic/immutable distros.
I wouldn’t say there’s “discourse.” That implies there are two sides engaging. It’s really just NixOS users telling everyone else they’re doing it wrong.
I didn’t really mean it in the sense that the communities of different atomic/immutable engage regarding the trade-offs associated by their respective methods of achieving atomicity/immutability. And, honestly, I’d actually love to see more of that. Even if NixOS users would dunk on the rest, at least until the learning curves are brought up.
Instead, what we often find are unproductive threads like this one 😅. In which, naysayers and proponents act like they’re engaging, but I simply fail to understand what’s happening.
Employers some don’t like you using non MicroSlop.
Microsoft gives my execs nice all inclusive all expenses paid retreats to think it over.
My department just gives them a PDF explaining with cool graphics how Linux can save more money, how more secure it is, how we can avoid the constant force fed bug filled updates that MSFT pushes, how we can customize it exactly to our and users needs, we can actually own our own keys… The goes on and on.
But they’ve already decided which OS we use and they never even open the email we sent them.
My department just gives them a PDF explaining with cool graphics how Linux can save more money, how more secure it is, how we can avoid the constant force fed bug filled updates that MSFT pushes, how we can customize it exactly to our and users needs, we can actually own our own keys… The goes on and on.
No, because there is no simple point and click group policy/active directory equivalent in Linux that allows a group of 5 IT techs to manage 2000 desktops. And if you get your shit together and actually use the tools that Microsoft provides, you don’t get surprise updates, you can image PCs via a gui over network booting, you get bitlocker keys backed up in your domain etc etc etc etc etc.
All the things that allow a business to manage hardware and software with the minimum amount of expensive employees, Microsoft provides it, for money of course. That money is offset by the reduction in IT guys needed to look after everything.
It’s that simple. CorporateLand won’t touch Linux on the workstation until that’s possible.
I know Linux can’t do that as well, I just don’t get WHY. It descends from an OS that was literally designed from the ground up for managing shared resources accessed from multiple clients.
That’s exactly why. You can manage users no problem. Multiple machines was never the paradigm.
90% of the current development effort (containers, virtualization) is about copying the working machine and giving it a nice safe space to run in, where no outside forces can reach in and disturb its peace.
Thats not a linux problem.
