• Pissed@lemmy.ml
    13·
    14 hours ago

    Lol, the Bolsheviks were a faction of the Russian social democratic party. I’m not Russian.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlOP
      8·
      14 hours ago

      The bolsheviks supported pulling out of the war, and did. I’m not referring to non-communist parties, this meme itself is about the USSR. I’m not sure why you’re bringing in social democratic parties.

      • Pissed@lemmy.ml
        15·
        14 hours ago

        You do know that communist parties grew out of social democratic parties right? Seeing as my family members weren’t Russian it was kind of irrelevant for them what the Bolsheviks were doing they were sick of war, they were just were trying to scrape food together because at the end of the first world war people in continental Europe were starving and the idea of waging a class war for the radical section of the party that sent you into the war in the first place just seemed tiresome.

        Anyways what I’m getting at is I kind of understand why so many people are cynical about socialism since for some people its not some crazy new radical idea, they’ve been burnt by politics before.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlOP
          7·
          14 hours ago

          The Russian Social Democratic Party was a communist party, not what we think of as social democracy. I’m specifically talking about Russia, because Russia was the only country at the beginning of the 20th century to actually achieve socialism. Your family, unless I’m misreading you, isn’t what I’m talking about when advocating for socialism, because they never achieved it if they weren’t in Russia at the time of World War I.

          • Pissed@lemmy.ml
            14·
            13 hours ago

            I know what Social Democratic parties were, I’m trying to explain to you that some people were already disillusioned by what you call communist parties before the Bolsheviks had their revolution. I’m telling you I had family members who were part of the revolutionary proletariat before the Social Democratic communist split and by the time the first world war ended they were already disillusioned with the whole ideology.

              • Pissed@lemmy.ml
                13·
                12 hours ago

                It was a big part of why the Nazi party came to power and why so many people didn’t fight back against it people were so disillusioned with politics and the socialist parties had lost a lot of trust.

                By the time fascism was on the rise they were just in survival mode because they’d already seen one war and just wanted to survive the next one. It’s was hard to get a bunch of people to fight for an idea that has screwed them over already. It definitely wasn’t the right thing to do but it turns out not every one is a hero when it comes to fighting oppressive regimes even if they don’t like them. Enough people will just keep their heads down and try to survive.

                History isn’t something that just takes place in books it happened to real people who also play a role in shaping its outcome. The only reason I’m still doing leftist stuff is because I met Eric Hobsbawm (or im pretty sure it was him) and I promised him I’d keep fighting for a better future.