Disagree. DC current will seek the path of least resistance, and will not go down the pole.
I’m unsure if this is an apartment, but I would start by reaching out to the landlord and say your lights have been acting up whenever they are using it. Maybe say your electric bill has been higher, maybe stage that a little bit by simply leaving a light on for a month. Have them inspect the floor damage too.
Once they leave, I would install cannibalize a power cable, plug it into the wall and hook the hot wire up to one of the screws.
The benefit of using AC, is that it is less likely to take the path of least resistance and travels as waves back and forth, doesn’t necessarily matter if they are grounded or not, they will feel it, likely marginally lower since it is also going into everything their 8ft pole is touching.
…I don’t know why I’m on a villain arc this morning.
Small correction- AC power doesn’t “travel in waves”. It just oscillates up and down with respect to its reference, and same with its current with respect to its impedance. Just looks like a wave if you look at its position over time.
With a completed circuit with low impedance, it would trip your breaker. With completed circuit with large enough impedance to not trip breaker, it might burn your apartment down in a number of ways. Could also kill neighbor if they are somehow making a return path, as current disrupts your nervous system where once they get caught in the shock they lose control of their muscles and are held in the current unable to let go, electrocuting them until death. If insulation is high enough to effectively be an open circuit, your neighbor on the pole wouldn’t know it was electrified in the same way a bird sitting up on a power line doesn’t have a clue its anything but a normal wire in the air. Largely depends on how the pole is installed and if its touching any metal or electrical wires where it is mounted on top, bottom, or both. Also if neighbor is ground level or if another apartment beneath them. A lot of variables create.a lot of possible outcomes.
Would not recommend, lot of risks with little to no chance of any reward
I’ll be assuming the pole is not grounded (electrically isolated from Earth, the earth pin of sockets, radiators, plumbing etc.)
The difference is not DC vs AC but between it being connected across two screws, for which a high current source (hundreds of amps at negligible voltage) will heat the metal up - as opposed to connecting a voltage (like 120V mains for AC or 170V single-diode-rectified & smoothed mains for DC) referenced to ground to the pole. The former will draw a lot of current from the source through the screws and metal between them, heating it up. A car battery could briefly deliver hundreds of amps and several kW, making them glow red hot. The latter will create a potential between the pole and ground, which will only draw current when a load is connected between the pole and the ground. For AC, a person’s body’s capacitance to ground, even with insulating shoes, is enough to feel a tingle. For AC or DC of sufficient voltage (above 60 V), they will get a shock if they touch ground and the pole, completing the circuit.
Do yourself a favor, don’t ever touch a car battery. It will hurt and you will feel it. They show that in movies as torture for a reason. It’s not the voltage in this case, it’s the current. Those batteries are capable of 550 CCA (cold cranking amps). Warm that battery is 685 CA. In fact I think I would consider the car battery more dangerous.
In alternating current the electrons move back and forth across the material similar to a wave striking the shore of a tropical beach… No one said anything about reflecting. Have you never been shocked by an outlet? Shoot, I grew up in a trailer with a short on the front door. If you touched the metal, it wouldn’t even hurt, but you’d certainly know.
I am an electrical engineer i have touched plenty of 12v and 24v…
If movies are you source for eletrical safety then yoi are a idiot…
Current has nothing to do with that because it doesnt matter that your car battery can supply 100 100000 or 10000GA 12V will not be enough to make a significant current flow through you because your skin and body resistence is way to high… basic like 6 grade physics with current=voltage/resistance (yea i know body is not purly resitive etc but its good enough) whoever said voltage doesnt kill but current does was a idiot… neither does its a combination of a bunch of factors that matter…current voltage time frequency etc…
I dont even need to write something for point 2 because you have shown to not know basic understanding about dc circuit analysis…wtf
Hahaha. Ok, I thought you were a young child because you spelled battery differently and your take on everything I said the first time seemed childish. I told you not to touch a car battery because I thought you were a child. I still wouldn’t personally touch it, but that’s not what’s funny. You are NOT an electrical engineer. YOU ARE A STUDENT, lmao, I thought you might be a child and I wasn’t far off.
Your German, correct? I fixed aircraft in Germany, and you are only a student. Ever work on 115 VAC @ 400Hz 3 Phase? Ever work on C-130 avionic systems? What about B-1’s?
There is actually a lot of stuff I miss about Germany, too. Döner Kabob… God I miss those, they were my favorite. Oh and the German ice cream. Also the beer… I miss a good Dunkel.
You know, the sad part about this interaction is that I think we may have been friends, if you didn’t come across so aggressive. A lot of your posts are on a German Arch community, which, well I’m running that with btrfs, snapper, hyprland, and quickshell. I intend to change to cachyos, I rather appreciate their optimized kernel.
Regardless, keep studying you’ll be an electrical engineer soon.
What does any of this have to do with the car battery situation? You can lick your fingers and touch each end of a car battery with a hand. It won’t hurt you, much less kill you. You are ignoring the resistance of the path the current needs to travel. Without enough potential difference, the current has no reason to pass through the body.
The level to which you fail to understand a basic concept while brandishing your credentials is a bit embarassing. There are certainly many others with the same or lesser amount of experience than you who understand this scenario better than you do.
Note that nowhere in my critique have I attacked or undermined your claimed experience, nor have I made any attacks on your character. Besides this: you are acting like a child.
if you really judge someone about spelling mistakes and typos on a platform that people use on phones where it is super easy to mistype something well then i cant help you… also why are you calling others child if this is your reaction to what i wrote? You had the most childish reaction i saw on here for a long time.
With what you wrote i woild bet that anny ee student that passes the first semester has more knowledge than you… and no i am not a student annymore i graduated with a bachelors end of last year :)) Also if if i still were a student that would still make me a lot more qualified than you, because before going to uni i had a 3,5 years apprenticeship as mechatronics technician that made me a “elektrofachkraft” so i am qualified to work with industrial systems up to 1000V.
If you really worked on all those systems you said you did and dont know the basics about how voltage current and resistance relate to each other it would be very sad…
I cant even see the goalpost annymore… I dont care if you were in the military or not, what i implied is sad is that you somehow never learned enough about electronics to know that what you wrote is bullshit. Maybe you fixed all the equiptment? But you sure as hell didnt fix it by understanding circuits or electronics if you think 12v can harm you by touching it only because the supply is capable of high apperage (with the source “movies” none the less). “Fixing” stuff is in this day and age also not something that shows you understand how something works. In most industries and i would guess the military it is the same, fixing means “i replace module xy because the error code says so / untill it works”.
I also dont feel like responding annymore because the next message propably will be another goalpost push on why i dont think you did x or y when it was never about that…
Step one of leaving a light on for a month might be a big hole in this plan those days. Electricity diff would be like a dollar or 2 at worst because bulbs are like 12 watts now. If the temperature went up by a couple degrees one day the AC would make it fluctuate just as much as that and you wouldn’t even notice on a bill
Disagree. DC current will seek the path of least resistance, and will not go down the pole.
I’m unsure if this is an apartment, but I would start by reaching out to the landlord and say your lights have been acting up whenever they are using it. Maybe say your electric bill has been higher, maybe stage that a little bit by simply leaving a light on for a month. Have them inspect the floor damage too.
Once they leave, I would install cannibalize a power cable, plug it into the wall and hook the hot wire up to one of the screws.
The benefit of using AC, is that it is less likely to take the path of least resistance and travels as waves back and forth, doesn’t necessarily matter if they are grounded or not, they will feel it, likely marginally lower since it is also going into everything their 8ft pole is touching.
…I don’t know why I’m on a villain arc this morning.
Small correction- AC power doesn’t “travel in waves”. It just oscillates up and down with respect to its reference, and same with its current with respect to its impedance. Just looks like a wave if you look at its position over time.
With a completed circuit with low impedance, it would trip your breaker. With completed circuit with large enough impedance to not trip breaker, it might burn your apartment down in a number of ways. Could also kill neighbor if they are somehow making a return path, as current disrupts your nervous system where once they get caught in the shock they lose control of their muscles and are held in the current unable to let go, electrocuting them until death. If insulation is high enough to effectively be an open circuit, your neighbor on the pole wouldn’t know it was electrified in the same way a bird sitting up on a power line doesn’t have a clue its anything but a normal wire in the air. Largely depends on how the pole is installed and if its touching any metal or electrical wires where it is mounted on top, bottom, or both. Also if neighbor is ground level or if another apartment beneath them. A lot of variables create.a lot of possible outcomes.
Would not recommend, lot of risks with little to no chance of any reward
I’ll be assuming the pole is not grounded (electrically isolated from Earth, the earth pin of sockets, radiators, plumbing etc.)
The difference is not DC vs AC but between it being connected across two screws, for which a high current source (hundreds of amps at negligible voltage) will heat the metal up - as opposed to connecting a voltage (like 120V mains for AC or 170V single-diode-rectified & smoothed mains for DC) referenced to ground to the pole. The former will draw a lot of current from the source through the screws and metal between them, heating it up. A car battery could briefly deliver hundreds of amps and several kW, making them glow red hot. The latter will create a potential between the pole and ground, which will only draw current when a load is connected between the pole and the ground. For AC, a person’s body’s capacitance to ground, even with insulating shoes, is enough to feel a tingle. For AC or DC of sufficient voltage (above 60 V), they will get a shock if they touch ground and the pole, completing the circuit.
Rhis is so much bullshit… car batterie wont do shit because
Do yourself a favor, don’t ever touch a car battery. It will hurt and you will feel it. They show that in movies as torture for a reason. It’s not the voltage in this case, it’s the current. Those batteries are capable of 550 CCA (cold cranking amps). Warm that battery is 685 CA. In fact I think I would consider the car battery more dangerous.
In alternating current the electrons move back and forth across the material similar to a wave striking the shore of a tropical beach… No one said anything about reflecting. Have you never been shocked by an outlet? Shoot, I grew up in a trailer with a short on the front door. If you touched the metal, it wouldn’t even hurt, but you’d certainly know.
I am an electrical engineer i have touched plenty of 12v and 24v… If movies are you source for eletrical safety then yoi are a idiot…
Current has nothing to do with that because it doesnt matter that your car battery can supply 100 100000 or 10000GA 12V will not be enough to make a significant current flow through you because your skin and body resistence is way to high… basic like 6 grade physics with current=voltage/resistance (yea i know body is not purly resitive etc but its good enough) whoever said voltage doesnt kill but current does was a idiot… neither does its a combination of a bunch of factors that matter…current voltage time frequency etc…
I dont even need to write something for point 2 because you have shown to not know basic understanding about dc circuit analysis…wtf
Hahaha. Ok, I thought you were a young child because you spelled battery differently and your take on everything I said the first time seemed childish. I told you not to touch a car battery because I thought you were a child. I still wouldn’t personally touch it, but that’s not what’s funny. You are NOT an electrical engineer. YOU ARE A STUDENT, lmao, I thought you might be a child and I wasn’t far off.
Your German, correct? I fixed aircraft in Germany, and you are only a student. Ever work on 115 VAC @ 400Hz 3 Phase? Ever work on C-130 avionic systems? What about B-1’s?
There is actually a lot of stuff I miss about Germany, too. Döner Kabob… God I miss those, they were my favorite. Oh and the German ice cream. Also the beer… I miss a good Dunkel.
You know, the sad part about this interaction is that I think we may have been friends, if you didn’t come across so aggressive. A lot of your posts are on a German Arch community, which, well I’m running that with btrfs, snapper, hyprland, and quickshell. I intend to change to cachyos, I rather appreciate their optimized kernel.
Regardless, keep studying you’ll be an electrical engineer soon.
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What does any of this have to do with the car battery situation? You can lick your fingers and touch each end of a car battery with a hand. It won’t hurt you, much less kill you. You are ignoring the resistance of the path the current needs to travel. Without enough potential difference, the current has no reason to pass through the body.
The level to which you fail to understand a basic concept while brandishing your credentials is a bit embarassing. There are certainly many others with the same or lesser amount of experience than you who understand this scenario better than you do.
Note that nowhere in my critique have I attacked or undermined your claimed experience, nor have I made any attacks on your character. Besides this: you are acting like a child.
Nope, you are right, I was not familiar with the resistance of the human body and I was wrong.
if you really judge someone about spelling mistakes and typos on a platform that people use on phones where it is super easy to mistype something well then i cant help you… also why are you calling others child if this is your reaction to what i wrote? You had the most childish reaction i saw on here for a long time.
With what you wrote i woild bet that anny ee student that passes the first semester has more knowledge than you… and no i am not a student annymore i graduated with a bachelors end of last year :)) Also if if i still were a student that would still make me a lot more qualified than you, because before going to uni i had a 3,5 years apprenticeship as mechatronics technician that made me a “elektrofachkraft” so i am qualified to work with industrial systems up to 1000V.
If you really worked on all those systems you said you did and dont know the basics about how voltage current and resistance relate to each other it would be very sad…
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I cant even see the goalpost annymore… I dont care if you were in the military or not, what i implied is sad is that you somehow never learned enough about electronics to know that what you wrote is bullshit. Maybe you fixed all the equiptment? But you sure as hell didnt fix it by understanding circuits or electronics if you think 12v can harm you by touching it only because the supply is capable of high apperage (with the source “movies” none the less). “Fixing” stuff is in this day and age also not something that shows you understand how something works. In most industries and i would guess the military it is the same, fixing means “i replace module xy because the error code says so / untill it works”.
I also dont feel like responding annymore because the next message propably will be another goalpost push on why i dont think you did x or y when it was never about that…
Step one of leaving a light on for a month might be a big hole in this plan those days. Electricity diff would be like a dollar or 2 at worst because bulbs are like 12 watts now. If the temperature went up by a couple degrees one day the AC would make it fluctuate just as much as that and you wouldn’t even notice on a bill