

Is this a reference to one of their crashouts I missed? I stopped paying attention to them lol
Have I truly become a monster?


Is this a reference to one of their crashouts I missed? I stopped paying attention to them lol


I’m pretty sure GTK used to do exactly that, and for a while after they stopped supporting it there was a patched version of GTK that brought that functionality back.
I’m mainly salty about this because programs with forced CSDs make my tiling window manager look like shit, and getting away from them is becoming increasingly difficult.


That’s because they’re engineering their desktop for first time users who look first, then click. Having things visually “tidy” without too much “clutter” or anything that might make them feel overwhelmed is what they’re looking for. Being predictable, consistent, or able to learn by muscle memory is less important. If you’re measuring success based primarily on increasing number of users, onboarding is by far the most important aspect of design.
Seasoned users of a piece of software know exactly where the button/menu/tool they want is, and their needs are often directly contrary to a first time user’s needs. These users want the element they’re looking for to be accessible in as few actions and little thought as possible.
The ideal software that you would use day to day is able to be approachable, but holds your hand while you become a seasoned user. Menubars were ideal for this. Every function is laid out for new users to look through. You have spacial memory for where each function is organized. On MacOS and a couple linux desktop environments functions with a keyboard command associated would have that command displayed beside them (and you can even set one if one doesn’t exist, or change one that does), gently assisting you to use the program more easily. Several desktops also offer searchable menubars which is just another layer of convenience. Big shiny buttons for common functions and a hamburger menu are simply a step backward from the traditional menu bar. You’re only a new user of a piece of software once.
At best, GNOME, the party in control of GTK and design for a huge swath of software, refuse to play ball and cooperate with the rest of the linux/FLOSS desktop ecosystem. At worst they want to throw out all the literature about muscle memory, predictability, and familiarity in UI design and impose their frankly annoying Fisher-Price design on everyone else while calling you an out of touch elitist for resisting this.


I just hate how the CSDs keep moving the title buttons around depending on how wide the header bar is. I want my buttons in the exact same place and order no matter what. If I have to think about how to minimize/maximize/close a window for a tenth of a second it’s too long.
They also regularly take away very useful menubars and that’s even worse in my opinion.
I had a similar situation with a slightly damaged screen. It was just the very top right corner of a laptop. I just created a square panel in XFCE and blocked off the corner with it so when I fullscreened a window it wouldn’t go into the corner.
Interestingly, depending on where the window is when I click fullscreen, it might fullscreen the “tall” way, or the “wide” way. I’m not sure what logic XFCE uses there but it’s pretty cool.