There we go, you’re just a stemlord with a superiority complex. “Go study robotics” as if a society with 100% robotics students was sustainable. For your information I have a fucking PhD in Physics and a privileged as fuck life, but I choose not to be a cunt to the people less fortunate around me.
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but people born in socialism want (balanced, not late stage) capitalism
False. A majority of people who lived in the Eastern Block (except for a few countries like Baltics or Poland) say that life was better during socialism, every poll that comes out confirms this. The people who are so afraid of socialism are the 90s kids who have been indoctrinated in the “horrors of gommunism” while completely ignoring the very real horrors of capitalism.
The house is given to you wherever the government wants you to work
Again lying. Work mobility was very much a thing in the Eastern Block except during exceptional times such as WW2. Housing in the USSR was actually primarily accessed through your work union, not through the government, so it was up to you where you wanted to work and therefore live. Nowadays people don’t have that luxury, and instead of living near our workplaces, we’re segregated by income. I literally cannot afford to live in my hometown where I grew up because it got gentrified, it is actually capitalism not letting people live where they desire. I’ve also lived in a smaller village, and many people are forced out of there by the economic situation of not being able to find any job because capitalism moves all jobs to the big city. Are you purposefully lying, or just misinformed?
Like China, Half of capitalistic EU, and North Korea?
So, like a socialist country, a bunch of countries imitating socialist urban design, and another socialist country? Nothing to do with political spectrum? If you think urban sprawl is not political, I suggest you research on why it was racism and segregation by skin colour that led to dystopian sprawl in American cities. Or is that not ideological to you?
Well, just because there is a one country that managed to screw it up, does not mean it cannot be part of capitalism. See: Rest of the world
What rest of the world? How’s the quality of universal healthcare and education in India, in Phillipines, in Morocco or in Ecuador? I’m a Spaniard, and I can guarantee you that, for the entirety of my adult life, the only policy I’ve seen towards healthcare and education is austerity and defunding through neoliberalism. This is the case in the entirety of Europe, and when some party comes with intentions of changing that, either it’s internally demolished (state apparatus fabrications of corruption and funding by Venezuela and Iran in the case of Podemos, Spain), not allowed into government by the establishment (LFI, France), or directly shutdown under theat of explusion of the Euro (Syriza, Greece). What a wonderful paradise of healthcare and education.
Depends on how you look at it. I’m sure there is zero unemployment rates in concentration camps too
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Again, most people who lived in the Eastern Block socialism say that life was better then. Why are you so hurt by people having a right to retirement pensions, worker rights, extremely high unionization rates, and guaranteed employment?
Turns on US news
What’s your point? That Stalin shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin? I wish for that alternate reality too, especially one without the USA existing.
Well, the Soviets and China never stopped building socially affordable housing. Turns out it’s a quirk of capitalist regimes leaving people to spend half their income in housing!
Since the Soviet Union pretended that homelessness didn’t exist
Ugh… Anticommunist propaganda. Vagrancy was considered illegal, and “homeless” people had access to free dorms. Your figures are entirely made up
The Soviet Union did not collapse in the 90s, it was illegally dissolved against the democratic will of the people. The country was doing absolutely golden until perestroika (look at any GDP graph if you don’t believe me), they had some economic issues due to it between 1985 and 1990 but nothing horrible. What was horrifying was the transition to capitalism. Alcohol abuse, crime, homelessness, unemployment, suicide and drugs became the norm when the entire welfare system was dismantled and the state industry was auctioned to the most corrupt bidder.
Social issues spawned in the 90s during capitalism and do not represent the life in the USSR.
Believe it or not, guaranteed housing at an average rent of 3% of the monthly income is an extremely leftist policy.
and cut down all the greenery
After visiting Russia some time ago and comparing old pictures, a lot of the trees were cut simply to make parking spots. Most people didn’t own a car in the USSR because public transit and walk ability were prioritized, and so these areas weren’t designed with parking in mind. When the Soviet Union was antidemocratically dissolved, public transit was gutted and cars were heavily publicized, so most families who could afford it ended up buying some old car, and they needed parking spots.
Those tend to be areas where women have little education
By the 1960s, the USSR had more women engineers than the rest of the planet combined, and some 45% of the PhDs in chemistry in the 1970s were awarded to women. Mistakes were made in the USSR, for sure, but equal access to education between women and men was not one of them.
because it’s ugly and depressing
Speak for yourself, this is much more beautiful and less depressing to me than cookie-mold single-family sprawling housing in the US. You’re just cherrypicking a bad picture in winter with dead trees.
the poor end up having to live there and with that comes crime and what not and you end up with ghetto style areas
This did NOT happen in the eastern block. Housing was guaranteed but so was work. Crime is mostly a consequence of lack of job prospects enforced on marginalized people, and when you give everyone an education and a fair chance, the vast majority of people gladly accept that. There were no “criminal ghettos” in the Eastern Block. You’re just applying the capitalist logic to countries that weren’t capitalist. When you don’t segregate people by wealth (rich vs poor neighborhood) you eliminate the possibility for ghettos to exist.
So eventually only the poor and desperate moved into the neighborhood. And the neighborhood turned into a rundown ghetto
Sounds like the problem is wealth inequality and poverty, not housing itself. There were no ghettos in the eastern block, period.
Well, those have been built in a highly industrialized and rich country, not in a developing economy. Social housing in China nowadays looks more like your pictures than the one in the post, let’s keep in mind that that kind of housing is at this point over 50 years old.
Guaranteed housing, human-centered urban planning organized around moving on foot and in public transit, universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, the abolition of unemployment and the defeat of Nazism aren’t left wing enough for you?
Architecture is political. The architectural styles of the Eastern Block had their reason of being. The usage of prefab and panels in construction was an ideological idea, because the intention was to house as many people in cities as possible during the extremely rapid industrialization that took place.
“The CNT-FAI was heavily repressed by the Soviets. Source: CNT”. Well, that’s not too convincing, I expected some historical research providing numerical data, not the opinions of a CNT member.
Modern estimates of NKVD murders of whom they considered counter-revolutionaries in Republican Spain during the Civil War show 20 proven murders by a total of 10 agents. The book you quoted has no sourcing, it’s just the ramblings of a CNT member that we’re supposed to take for true. It propagates made-up speculations such as the supposed torture of Andreu Nin at the hands of the Soviets (zero evidence), and makes no effort whatsoever to bring any number to the total of anarchists repressed. It talks of 3500 fascists repressed by the SIM (a Spanish organization, not Soviet), so Anarchists were likely numbered at most in the hundreds, but again, you provide no numerical evidence for your claims.
It’s unbearable as a Spaniard hearing these hearsay “if the Soviets hadn’t sabotaged the anarchists, they may have won the war”, as if the Soviets didn’t provide the very weapons the Anarchists were using. No effort in actual data recounting is done, just shameless anti-Soviet propaganda based on literal fabrications like the torturing of Andreu Nin, and the total disregard for the actually logical repression of some anarchists and Trotskyists who, knowingly or not, were collaborating with the Nazis as proven by Harro Shulze-Boysen, a German spy who spied for the soviets and was executed when the Nazis uncovered that he had warned the Soviets about a Nazi plot to have an anarchist revolution in Barcelona to weaken the Republic and make the defeat easier: Link
This was the same insurrection independently reported to the Centre by the Soviet embassy in Berlin after receiving an anonymous tip-off from their agent Harro Schulze- Boysen. From contacts on the Luftwaffe General Staff he revealed that German agents had also infiltrated Trotskyists circles in Barcelona with the intention of encouraging their putsch
Now, bring some numerical historical evidence supporting your claim of massive repressions against anarchists by the Soviets which led to them losing the war
Yeah, that’s a common sentiment by idealists facing real, material revolutions. Kropotkin and Babushka Breshko-Breshkovskaya had similar fallouts with the Bolsheviks after 1917.
How big of a part was it the Soviets sabotaging the CNT-FAI? Can you point to the extent of sabotage and the main avenues through which it happened? It’s an accusation I hear thrown around a lot, but when I ask about the actual sabotage and what it consisted of and its extent, I rarely receive an answer
The real winner of WW2 is the Soviet Union, which saved tens of millions of lives from Nazi extermination and destroyed Nazism all the way to Berlin.
Wikipedia article on Orwell’s list
Could you elaborate on the “coming away jaded” after the Spanish civil war? I’m interested on an outsider’s opinion (assuming you’re not a Spaniard like me)
“Got disillusioned” is a very mild term for turning into an MI6 stooge and reporting communists to intelligence agencies, the fucking prick!
Judging by the surveys In Eastern Europe, people prefer socialism having lived through both. You can make up all imaginary dilemmas you want, but reality has given you the answer.
The majority can’t choose that in capitalism, the biggest predictor for success in studying is family income, and capitalism is hugely unequal. You believe you’re superior to the rest because you “made the choice to study hard”, most people don’t have that choice in the first place.