The point of learning long division is so you understand it. Once you understand it, THEN you can use the calculator.

That wasn’t my experience of learning long division. Not a lot of time was spent on understanding the process. A lot of time was spent on repetition, repetition, repetion until it was wrote. The division button on the calculator was faster, does offload my thinking, but it’s easier and gave more accurate results. Using my calculator in long division class would have been considered cheating though, offloading my thinking like that.

But counter to that, I also spent a lot of time in Dreamweaver chasing the dotcom bubble that popped before I entered the job market. Even with the pop we see websites everywhere for everything.

No. The corollary of my luddite argument is that tools are tools. Attacking the tools don’t work to solve systemic problems.

If genAI is a tool, can you tell me what exactly it is that it does?

See my first comment for one example of students using it as a tool.

See, the “AI bad” people are funny. In a reply to comment about how people are actually using GenAI as a tool to achieve their goals “If genAI is a tool, can you tell me what exactly it does”? I must say, admitting to not not having a clue what genAI even does is a massive hit to your credibility on this topic. But to answer your question about what it is that generative AI does as a tool: it generates things. Pictures, videos, text, music, it generates things.

It is a shame the airways a late clogged with this nonsense instead of how the wealthy are using tools, any tools, to concentrate wealth.

Look, GenAI is a tool, use it for what you think it’s useful for (even if you think that’s nothing). Let others use it for what they think it’s useful for. But for the love of god, attack the system not the tools.

I didn’t really say AI bad,

Implying GenAi gives wrong answers isn’t saying AI bad?

If you ask AI the same question twice you get 2 answers, different AIs give different responses, different prompts, different people, different geography.

That’s true of people too, and we trust them to do all sorts of things. Ask 20 people what happens after you die, how many answers are you getting? Not just that ask any technical question, ask 4 beekeepers the best way to do a thing and you’ll get 5 answers.

GenAI is a tool, if you try use it to hammer in nails you’re gonna have a bad time. Don’t try use it to hammer in nails.

It turns out wrote answers to wrote questions is something it does fairly well, and it’s still getting better. That’s good, as a society we’ve moved past wrote answers to wrote questions. We should now prepre kids for the society they are going to grow up in, one with GenAI. Critical thinking is something it does fairly poorly, critical thinking is something we do fairly poorly, let’s teach that.

Beyond academics, shitty throwaway art is something it can also do fairly well. Just want an image use GenAi, want a master piece get a human. You already do this, how many of your clothes are handmade? Used a milliner recently? The Luddites taught us a lesson, attacking looms don’t work.

I hope I was the last generation to spend hours on long division with quotes of “you won’t always have access to a calculator”. Those that go into fields where long division may be useful should learn it, the rest of us have calculators.

Nah I grew up with the “you won’t always have a calculator in your pocket” crowd.

If AI gets everything wrong then students using it to offload their thinking will get failing grades. AI getting everything wrong is a self solving problem.

But sure, attack the person, not the argument. I’m sure we’ll have a well reasoned discussion.

The AI bad crowd are really tripping up the capitalism bad crowd. I don’t know what to do about it. I don’t want them stop, they’re hilarious:

The post complaining that GenAI is used for CSAM, tools used for CSAM is bad, and the people that use those tools are bad people. The tool used to complain about AI: the internet!!! The internet, famously absent of CSAM.

The constant hyperbole is funny. Not so much the witch hunts. We can all see the post, students using AI to get through classes means AI can get their questions right. The hyperbole is funny.

Accusing anything and everything of being AI is pretty shitty though, knock it off.

But, they do distract from genuine concerns about how capitalism is using tools, any tools, to concentrate wealth. The tools are tools, it’s the capitalism that’s the problem.

I assume everyone here is wearing cloth made on a loom. The Luddites taught us that attacking the tool (the loom in that case, GenAI in this one) doesn’t work.

It’s good that students are using ai to cheat then. We won’t need to detect it as the answers are wrong.

Oh, I’d like a phone number. Am I doing creepy customer correctly?

Coffee mommy isn’t a fetish, it’s a way of life!

I thought getting a vasectomy would make me more popular than it did. Instead I get “why are you telling me this” from the lady serving me coffee.

Worked for the dotcom bubble. It blew up and we were left with corporate hellscape internet, not so/interesting independent internet, and the dark web.

AI will blow up leaving a few massive players, the Google/Facebook/etc equivalent. Some independent people doing interesting and not so interesting things. And a dark web.

No notes, that’s awesome!!!

I have zero intention of getting into 3d printing or back yard casting. But it’s cool that intersection has products.

That cutter is fucking art. The blades we ran had a ceramic core. Then the wax mould over the ceramic. Lose the wax, cast, then beat the shit out of it till the ceramic comes out the blade, now there are cooling channels built into the cast. Complex geometries too.

I was asking why the blades needed a ceramic coating before going into the turbine. Surely we could just heat treat the blades to whatever hardness required.

I was then informed that inside turbines it’s so hot the Hydrocarbons split up to free Hydrogen ions and the left over. The ceramic is there because it’s a highly acidic environment.

Actually that story is my go to “how to mentor story”. I asked why we coated the blades in ceramics. The engineer told me it was really hot in there and just waited for me to twig. I didn’t, then he said it was so hot hydrocarbons break up into free hydrogen and the rest, and then waited. Then I caught on, I have no doubt if I hadn’t then he would have said “free Hydrogen is the literal definition of an acid” and waited. Then “Acid eats metals like titanium alloys” wait. “Then Acid doesn’t eat ceramics” wait. I genuinely try to lead people to answers that way just because the way he made my dumbass feel like the smartest tool in the room. Actually, I asked why we pre finished the blades to near mirrors just to acid etch them dull again, and was told it was for the ceramic coating.

Is fine. Didn’t think I’d TIL on a shitpost comm, but you sent me down a wikihole. Always fun

It was me kinda implying it. Just making a shit posting comment in a shit post community.

Just a Lemmy shitpost comment, don’t think about it too hard Sure fine sand and a runny plaster, ceramic capture detail. But you still bulk it out with rougher stuff to give the mold heft.

Maybe not cement. But I also wouldn’t recommend doing back yard casting for Life critical parts if you’re asking what your detail capturing materials should be and what your bulking out materials should be.

Those orphans aren’t orphans any more… Progress.

Real talk I cast turbine blades for IGT and Aerospace (not an engineer, just a floor worker). It was my impression that inside those turbines is an incredibly hostile environment (hot, acidic, g-forces), and still we cast them. We did some single crystal stuff for the really demanding parts. Is cast metal really that flawed?

3d print part, with added shrinkage factor Finish 3d printed part. Cast the print in cement. Burn the plastic out the new mold. Fill mold with the alloy of your choice. Pre-finish, finish metal part. Congrats, many 1000s spent on furnace materials for a 1.5k part but a new understanding for lost wax casting.

3d printing is the king of prototyping. Just print the part with sprues and all. Do a one off, write SOPs, prepare for full production. Profit.