Eldritch

If industrialization raises up a population, financialization plunges them.

Exactly, that’s why China’s economy is slowing.

Corporations in the US are seeing the highest profits they’ve ever seen in history. Wage theft has never been worse. Income disparity is widening more and more every year without any prospect of redistribution in sight.

Definitely, similar is happening in China as well. It’s why larger chunks of their youth aren’t participating and feel they have no place.

Corporations in China, however, are folded into the state as soon as they get too large. Corporate profits are collected by the state and redistributed to the population. China has many more protections to prevent it from choosing greed and sacrificing the working people than the US.

Which is largely meaningless as they exploit workers as hard or harder.

I want what’s happening in China to happen to us in America.

It did and is. The good bits happened over 60 years ago in the US. But we’re rapidly approaching the lack of press freedom and social surveillance China pioneered. Even as they’re approaching our inequality.

In tank space sure. But not in any non-hypocrical space. Again everything you implied about China could be said about the US.

However, it was industrialization brought up living standards. Not any particular party or ideology. In every different government and economic system industrialization has been pushed, it has benefited the population. And industrialization doesn’t make up for the oppression and abuses that said parties or ideologies commit while industrializing.

The fact that industrialization raised the standard of living in the US doesn’t justify their theft of my ancestors land or culture. Or the enslavement of blacks. It certainly doesn’t excuse or justify China’s oppression or cultural erasure of the uhygers. Tibetans or Hong Kongers as well. If you think it does or deny their abuse you’re just a hypocrite. 🤷

Nearly everything you mentioned there could be said about China as well though. So, how? In what way does it make China look better? Serious question. And not a defense of the west out the US.

Nope. This is the problem I expected and received in spades. Saying that people are corrupt or easily corruptible. Is not saying equally corrupt. Pointing out that two individuals have behaved in authoritarian ways. Is not saying they’re equally authoritarian. Hell, I even called out Trump at the end. Mentioning leaving Maduro alone. Basically defending Maduro against him. But it was never what was actually said. It was what people needed to be said in their minds to defend people they identify with. All very entertaining. Like trying to have any sort of meaningful discussion with liberals.

Bad faith responses from both of you. Bravo!

There’s a concept true. Just not an example. Technically it’s possible for sub atomic particles in deep space to randomly coaless as a Ruben sandwich. But you’re far more likely to see the evaporation of a super massive black hole.

Power corrupts. And sometimes there really is no point to arguing which shitty person is slightly less shitty than the other shitty person. The only true answer is not play, and that there shouldn’t be such positions of power. Anything else is calvinball.

You’ll notice that there are no real arguments that he isn’t a authoritarian/dictator. Just justification that certain people identify with him, so it’s okay. Or that because one cringe group of privileged people criticize him. All criticism against him is from similar cringe groups of people. The meme in a nutshell. A non sequitur.

Maduro absolutely is an authoritarian. As is Trump. I don’t agree with either one of them. But Trump absolutely means to fuck all the way off when it comes to continuing to meddle in South America. Argentina and Venezuela have enough problems of their own. They don’t need ours.