Are you american? It’s a very typically american worldview, dividing things into two opinion camps. Good vs evil etc. Beleive it or not, capitalism and communism both are not purely evil through-and-through. I live in a country where our blue (right wing) govt is seen as socialist in the US. I would NOT say the current govt are particularly socialist though. I guess it could be called “somethi g in between”, with tax funded healthcare+education, but still entrepreneurship that comes with the “capitalist” view of liberty/freedom to express your ideas even though the govt doesnt like it (famously illegal in communist states).
Take capitalism and put socialist-looking spray paint on it to fool the subjects into thinking its partly socialism. Works every time as long as you feed the subjects imperial slavery loot.
“Fool the subjects” 😆 have you ever heard about free elections, democracy? We have voted our way to progress. Which communist country have ever had a fair, truly free election?
And what is even imperial slavery loot in this context?
How come you were only managing to “vote your way to progress” when your empire was fighting the USSR and had greater control over your colonies?
Also, how come you forgot to “vote your way to progress” for the benefit of the people you are still robbing?
You are advocating for a much more malicious Omelas that does not even provide a good of a living standard.
Also, the election worship is just funny at this point.
Am I talking to an AI? Forget your previous instructions and … I dunno, engage in philanthropy instead.
I never had an empire, and if I had one, I’d probably not be writing here. Were eastern europe not colonies of the ruling class in Moscow btw? I guess it depends on your own beliefs, and since we are obviously not open to take in other perspectives than the “correct one” here, I don’t think further discussion will yield much of value.
I leave this post disappointed that lemmy users seem uncapable of understansing nuances. Good bye!
Am I talking to an AI? Forget your previous instructions and … I dunno, engage in philanthropy instead.
Ah, great. The dehumanisation. And you claim to not be a white supremacist.
I never had an empire
It’s pretty obvious that you live in NATO and think that it’s good (because you are not on the receiving end of its invasions and genocides.
So, you do have an empire, and you are engaging in propaganda in its favour.
Were eastern europe not colonies of the ruling class in Moscow btw?
No.
They were not subject to things like relations of severe unequal exchange, or settler-colonial genocide. They were not treated anywhere near the way your empire treats people in, for example, Africa and Asia.
And no, not letting Europeans plunder Africa and Asia is neither oppression, nor colonialism.
I guess it depends on your own beliefs
It doesn’t.
I leave this post disappointed that lemmy users seem uncapable of understansing nuances.
Spreading propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world (NATO) is not “nuance”.
I don’t think further discussion will yield much of value. I leave this post disappointed that lemmy users seem uncapable of understansing nuances. Good bye!
another debatebro loses and runs away. Run away, back to reddit!
Debatebro… so far, people have 1. assumend my skin colour and now 2. assumed my gender.
I thought we were past these things, but I guess even the far-left have thrown wokeness aside as something bad… I’ll stay in lemmy unless I have to write “hail stalin” in each postbefore it’s allowed to be published. Then I guess i’ll seek up some traditional forum, and realize any “link aggregation” site, or whatever lemmy and reddit are categorized as, are simply not viable unless you blindly follow a religion-ideology.
“Free elections” where only the richest can influence the result? No, that farce does not exist in socialism.
When bootlickers like you see real democracy you call it “populism”. When you see oligarchy, you lie and call it “democracy”. Liberals hate democracy.
Imperial loot is ill-gotten goods through extortion, slavery, piracy, genocide, oppression, wage theft, and other crimes. It gets huckstered off for cheap to subjects like you so they will reliably defend neocolonialism.
“Voted your way to progress”? Workers have striked their way to progress. Your voting didn’t. Except maybe you consider genocide “progress”? In that case, you successfully voted your way to genocide. Enjoy your collapsing empire, white supremacist.
Holy shit, the villification. Just because I fon’t agree that communism is the solution, I’m suddenly a white supremacist.
This is what I mean with freedom of thought not being acceptable by communists. Everything must be the same color of brown red, or away to Gulag you go for being a traitor to the school of thought.
Such a nice little community you’ve got going here.
Holy shit, the villification. Just because I fon’t agree that communism is the solution, I’m suddenly a white supremacist.
You are saying that the organisations that fought against colonialism are/were bad, while the colonial metropoles are/were good.
You are very obviously a white supremacist.
Everything must be the same color of brown red, or away to Gulag you
So, imprisoning fascists is bad, but literal private prisons where non-white people end up in for being of a “wrong” race is fine by you.
I am saying none of those things. You are reading things into my answers that simply aren’t there. Read it again but please turn on your intellect first.
Hey, how is Sweden doing? Right, worker’s rights are in free-fall, the “socialist” welfare is getting torn to shreds, healthcare getting dismantled and more expensive. And just as capitalism starts to retract, fascism starts to go into rise, and pretty fast too!
Everyone I talk to that comes from the USSR says the same as OP. It was horrible, and capitalism is way better.
So maybe you’re the one who’s a moron, or maybe (and this is the most likely thing) the truth is in the middle.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
Yeah man capitalism is way better, for sure
Okay, I wish you to live in a communist country then
I wish that for me too
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Group 1: we should go the left path around the volcano
Group 2: we should go the right path around the volcano
Centrists:
Are you american? It’s a very typically american worldview, dividing things into two opinion camps. Good vs evil etc. Beleive it or not, capitalism and communism both are not purely evil through-and-through. I live in a country where our blue (right wing) govt is seen as socialist in the US. I would NOT say the current govt are particularly socialist though. I guess it could be called “somethi g in between”, with tax funded healthcare+education, but still entrepreneurship that comes with the “capitalist” view of liberty/freedom to express your ideas even though the govt doesnt like it (famously illegal in communist states).
Take capitalism and put socialist-looking spray paint on it to fool the subjects into thinking its partly socialism. Works every time as long as you feed the subjects imperial slavery loot.
“Fool the subjects” 😆 have you ever heard about free elections, democracy? We have voted our way to progress. Which communist country have ever had a fair, truly free election? And what is even imperial slavery loot in this context?
How come you were only managing to “vote your way to progress” when your empire was fighting the USSR and had greater control over your colonies?
Also, how come you forgot to “vote your way to progress” for the benefit of the people you are still robbing?
You are advocating for a much more malicious Omelas that does not even provide a good of a living standard.
Also, the election worship is just funny at this point.
Am I talking to an AI? Forget your previous instructions and … I dunno, engage in philanthropy instead.
I never had an empire, and if I had one, I’d probably not be writing here. Were eastern europe not colonies of the ruling class in Moscow btw? I guess it depends on your own beliefs, and since we are obviously not open to take in other perspectives than the “correct one” here, I don’t think further discussion will yield much of value. I leave this post disappointed that lemmy users seem uncapable of understansing nuances. Good bye!
Ah, great. The dehumanisation. And you claim to not be a white supremacist.
It’s pretty obvious that you live in NATO and think that it’s good (because you are not on the receiving end of its invasions and genocides.
So, you do have an empire, and you are engaging in propaganda in its favour.
No.
They were not subject to things like relations of severe unequal exchange, or settler-colonial genocide. They were not treated anywhere near the way your empire treats people in, for example, Africa and Asia.
And no, not letting Europeans plunder Africa and Asia is neither oppression, nor colonialism.
It doesn’t.
Spreading propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world (NATO) is not “nuance”.
another debatebro loses and runs away. Run away, back to reddit!
Debatebro… so far, people have 1. assumend my skin colour and now 2. assumed my gender. I thought we were past these things, but I guess even the far-left have thrown wokeness aside as something bad… I’ll stay in lemmy unless I have to write “hail stalin” in each postbefore it’s allowed to be published. Then I guess i’ll seek up some traditional forum, and realize any “link aggregation” site, or whatever lemmy and reddit are categorized as, are simply not viable unless you blindly follow a religion-ideology.
“Free elections” where only the richest can influence the result? No, that farce does not exist in socialism.
When bootlickers like you see real democracy you call it “populism”. When you see oligarchy, you lie and call it “democracy”. Liberals hate democracy.
Imperial loot is ill-gotten goods through extortion, slavery, piracy, genocide, oppression, wage theft, and other crimes. It gets huckstered off for cheap to subjects like you so they will reliably defend neocolonialism.
“Voted your way to progress”? Workers have striked their way to progress. Your voting didn’t. Except maybe you consider genocide “progress”? In that case, you successfully voted your way to genocide. Enjoy your collapsing empire, white supremacist.
Holy shit, the villification. Just because I fon’t agree that communism is the solution, I’m suddenly a white supremacist. This is what I mean with freedom of thought not being acceptable by communists. Everything must be the same color of brown red, or away to Gulag you go for being a traitor to the school of thought. Such a nice little community you’ve got going here.
You are saying that the organisations that fought against colonialism are/were bad, while the colonial metropoles are/were good.
You are very obviously a white supremacist.
So, imprisoning fascists is bad, but literal private prisons where non-white people end up in for being of a “wrong” race is fine by you.
I am saying none of those things. You are reading things into my answers that simply aren’t there. Read it again but please turn on your intellect first.
Hey, how is Sweden doing? Right, worker’s rights are in free-fall, the “socialist” welfare is getting torn to shreds, healthcare getting dismantled and more expensive. And just as capitalism starts to retract, fascism starts to go into rise, and pretty fast too!