Investigators recovered two stolen trailers carrying $1.3 million in data center supplies, including copper wire and infrastructure equipment.

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    22 hours ago

    Theft is too vague to be given a blanket right/wrong verdict for all situations.
    Failure to recognise nuance is morally inept.

    We have courts and juries specifically because morality is not a hard rule.

    • mechoman444@lemmy.world
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      20 hours ago

      This particular tack definitely seems to be the main flavor of responses to my comment at this point.

      It is a really strange logical conclusion that many of you have arrived at.

      What it sounds like you’re saying is that if the theft is morally correct, then it is somehow no longer theft and is perfectly justified. That is a very strange argument to make in the first place.

      That is not how morality works. That is not how anything works.

      If a starving person steals bread, they may have a morally compelling justification for their actions. We can debate whether that theft was ethically permissible under those circumstances. But they still committed theft. The act itself does not magically stop being theft because we understand or sympathize with the reason behind it.

      The distinction between whether an action is understandable, justified, or morally excusable has been debated since the time of the Greeks.

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        12 hours ago

        I’m not sure how you came to that interpretation.

        Theft is theft, I never implied it wasn’t.
        And I never said it could be perfectly justified. I said each situation was nuanced and that there is no hard right/wrong.

        That doesn’t mean the theft never happened, just that some crimes are easier to forgive.

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          4 hours ago

          Look, as long as we both agree that theft is, by definition, a crime, which it is, then we’re on the same page.

          My point was that the way some people are talking makes it sound as though theft sometimes isn’t a crime or isn’t morally reprehensible.

          I fully agree that wrongdoing exists on a spectrum and that different offenses carry different moral weight.

          That has never been the point of contention.

      • Krzd@lemmy.world
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        19 hours ago

        We can debate whether that theft was ethically permissible under those circumstances. But they still committed theft. The act itself does not magically stop being theft because we understand or sympathize with the reason behind it.

        What? By that definition nothing is theft unless ruled such by a court. Which funnily also means that if someone takes anything but doesn’t get caught, they haven’t committed theft?
        Ergo any corporation powerful enough cannot commit any crimes, due to not being sentenced.

        That’s bullshit and you know it.
        This isn’t about if the guys stealing the copper committed a crime or not. Obviously they removed property without consent, which is theft.
        However, is there such thing as “good” crime? Yes. Same as the mother stealing formula for her baby, or the homeless person stealing bread, or these guys stealing copper from AI data centres.

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          16 hours ago

          By that definition nothing is theft unless ruled such by a court. Which funnily also means that if someone takes anything but doesn’t get caught, they haven’t committed theft?
          Ergo any corporation powerful enough cannot commit any crimes, due to not being sentenced.

          I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

      • samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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        20 hours ago

        No, what people are saying is that not all theft is wrong. It depends on the circumstances. Is that really so hard to comprehend?