• SolarPunker@slrpnk.net
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      3 months ago

      I suppose you are both referring to USA politics: it seems clear that dems contains many different souls but I wouldn’t call AOC or Sanders right-wing, even here in Europe where we actually have real left.

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        3 months ago

        The left starts at anti-capitalism. Anything other than that is right wing

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            3 months ago

            Reformism is not anti-capitalism. Reforms are just nicer capitalism. There will still be capitalism and imperialism but people just get a bigger slice of the imperialist pie until the ruling class decides to take the slice away.

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              3 months ago

              “People get a bigger slice of the … pie until the ruling class decides to take the slice away”
              Isn’t that just the same with all systems?

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                3 months ago

                The state is the mechanism through which one class exerts its dominance over the others.

                Bourgeois states are the enforcement arm of capital. When it offers improved conditions, it is merely a carrot to prevent you from taking actions that may jeopardize its power.

                In a similar vein, proletarian controlled states can do the same, but the concessions go towards capital and the day-to-day ruling is on behalf of the workers.

                If we want concessions that cannot be revoked, we must overthrow the bourgeois state and replace with a workers state. We cannot reform our way into a society where capital does not have near complete power.

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                  2 months ago

                  proletarian controlled states can do the same

                  This is as much a utopia as capitalist “trickle down economy”. It cannot exist because proletariat, in the vast majority, is dumb as a sack of bricks.