I’m glad nobody is mentioning WhatsApp as an alternative. They released usernames a few months ago, all messages are end-to-end encrypted, will add voice and video calls to WhatsApp Web, many people and companies have an account there already… It would be an easy migration, but awful for privacy. Thankfully, the most similar suggestions I found were Telegram and Signal.
WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal aren’t Discord alternatives though? There’s no ability to have multi text and persistent voice channels in groups. WhatsApp doesn’t even support screensharing.
I’ve said this a lot in different places and the Lemmy community is so small folks might even recognize me repeating myself, but I’ll say it again here. The problem with recommending a good Discord alternative is that Discord is different things for different people. For some it’s streaming. For some it’s video calls. For some it’s voice calls. For some it’s DMs. For some it’s group servers. For some the image and video sharing is an important aspect. It’s hard to recommend a good alternative because you’ll always inevitably run into the problem of someone saying “but it doesn’t do the thing I use it for.” The reality is that folks might need to use multiple apps to meet their needs if they migrate.
If you’d skimmed the article you would’ve seen they they suggested Discourse which the author openly admits is a forum, not a chat app. But hey, that’s what some folks use Discord as.
Your cloud backups are not encrypted either, and you have to explicitly opt out of cloud backups. That means any chats or group chats that involve someone who hasn’t opted out are sitting unencrypted on Meta servers, even if you personally have opted out. Even if everyone has opted out and assume it’s encrypted, they still know who you’re talking to, when you talk to them, how frequently, etc.
it’s absolutely true actually… whatsapp are the key holders and there was a leak a few weeks ago that showed meta staff can access anyone’s messages: they just need to raise a ticket and they get access to an app that allows them to pull up any user they like
this is always the case unless you’re the keyholder. any app where you can “forgot password” and get your data back you aren’t the key-holder (though recovery phrases are legitimate), or login simply via phone number and an SMS MFA or similar
it’s also true for apple stuff - despite being similarly encrypted - but they’ve at least on the surface displayed a willingness to protect user data from external threats
I’m glad nobody is mentioning WhatsApp as an alternative. They released usernames a few months ago, all messages are end-to-end encrypted, will add voice and video calls to WhatsApp Web, many people and companies have an account there already… It would be an easy migration, but awful for privacy. Thankfully, the most similar suggestions I found were Telegram and Signal.
WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal aren’t Discord alternatives though? There’s no ability to have multi text and persistent voice channels in groups. WhatsApp doesn’t even support screensharing.
I’ve said this a lot in different places and the Lemmy community is so small folks might even recognize me repeating myself, but I’ll say it again here. The problem with recommending a good Discord alternative is that Discord is different things for different people. For some it’s streaming. For some it’s video calls. For some it’s voice calls. For some it’s DMs. For some it’s group servers. For some the image and video sharing is an important aspect. It’s hard to recommend a good alternative because you’ll always inevitably run into the problem of someone saying “but it doesn’t do the thing I use it for.” The reality is that folks might need to use multiple apps to meet their needs if they migrate.
If you’d skimmed the article you would’ve seen they they suggested Discourse which the author openly admits is a forum, not a chat app. But hey, that’s what some folks use Discord as.
What’s app claims E2EE but it’s not really they store everything on their servers that any one of their staff can access at any point
Your cloud backups are not encrypted either, and you have to explicitly opt out of cloud backups. That means any chats or group chats that involve someone who hasn’t opted out are sitting unencrypted on Meta servers, even if you personally have opted out. Even if everyone has opted out and assume it’s encrypted, they still know who you’re talking to, when you talk to them, how frequently, etc.
That is false.
it’s absolutely true actually… whatsapp are the key holders and there was a leak a few weeks ago that showed meta staff can access anyone’s messages: they just need to raise a ticket and they get access to an app that allows them to pull up any user they like
this is always the case unless you’re the keyholder. any app where you can “forgot password” and get your data back you aren’t the key-holder (though recovery phrases are legitimate), or login simply via phone number and an SMS MFA or similar
it’s also true for apple stuff - despite being similarly encrypted - but they’ve at least on the surface displayed a willingness to protect user data from external threats
There was no leak. It was an ex employee who claimed that others were able to access everyone’s messages.
so… whistleblower
… that’s called a leak mate
Regardless, the app is proprietary. You shouldn’t trust it.